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Date:      Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:10:40 -0700
From:      Bruce M Simpson <bms@spc.org>
To:        Andrey Chernov <ache@nagual.pp.ru>, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG>, Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: network slowness/freez-up since update 10/11
Message-ID:  <20041014011040.GO718@empiric.icir.org>
In-Reply-To: <20041014000822.GA30887@nagual.pp.ru>
References:  <16749.29947.220930.46409@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1041013162621.84384S-100000@fledge.watson.org> <20041013232318.GN718@empiric.icir.org> <20041013234411.GA29777@nagual.pp.ru> <20041013235816.GA35652@xor.obsecurity.org> <20041014000822.GA30887@nagual.pp.ru>

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On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 04:08:23AM +0400, Andrey Chernov wrote:
> > > Even with its locking mess it works perfectly in -current until late=
=20
> > > August.
> > You mean, until rwatson changed the default to debug.mpsafenet=3D1? :-)
> Your guess is precisely right! :-)
>=20
> (IMHO making such commit without testing major drivers such as if_de was=
=20
> wrong step)

To be fair, de(4) is quite tangled and complex compared to other network
card drivers we have in the tree. As a result, it has had less maintenance
than the other drivers.

It's also for older hardware than dc(4) is able to support, or hardware
which is more common on a non-tier-one platform such as FreeBSD/alpha.

One solution I proposed (but haven't had time or hardware to follow up on)
is that the tlp(4) driver be ported from NetBSD, which would be a better
starting point for the locking work we need, as this driver supports
dc(4) and de(4)'s target hardware, and uses busdma, etc.

Bringing it under IFF_NEEDSGIANT is probably the right way to deal with
it for now.

Regards,
BMS

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