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[130.56.207.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c27-v6sm4909248pfl.63.2018.05.26.21.24.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 26 May 2018 21:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: FBSD on Mac From: Felix Friedlander In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 14:24:25 +1000 Cc: "M. P." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2DE4EED8-6EB9-4AAE-938B-344211A5C654@gmail.com> References: To: blubee blubeeme X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 04:24:26 -0000 > On 27 May 2018, at 13:28, blubee blubeeme wrote: >=20 >> On Sun, May 27, 2018, 10:03 Felix Friedlander = wrote: >>=20 >>> On 27 May 2018, at 10:23, blubee blubeeme = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Sun, May 27, 2018, 08:02 M. P. = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Hello I have succeded in creating an install disk for Mac but when = I try >>>> to install single user the process hangs and I get the message = Power Fault >>>> Detected. Any Ideas? Does the Mac hard drive have to be formatted = for FBSD? >>>=20 >>> I wouldn't recommend trying to run anything not Mac OS on their = machines. >>>=20 >>> If your Mac is up to version 11.2 or lower you should be fine. >>>=20 >>> The new Mac hardware actively does things to thwart anyone who tries = to run >>> non Mac OS. >>>=20 >>> Even if you do get it up and running, the wifi will be broken so = you'll >>> need a dongle. >>>=20 >>> GPU will give you trouble as well. >>>=20 >>> If it's one of the newer Mac with those led buttons you're totally = out of >>> luck. >>>=20 >>> If you are able to reverse engineer custom hardware and write custom >>> drivers then you might be OK. >>>=20 >>> If not, either run FreeBSD in a VM on Mac, sell that Mac and buy a >>> compatible laptop or ... >>>=20 >>> Best, >>> Owen >>=20 >> On the contrary, I=E2=80=99ve had great success running FreeBSD on = Apple hardware. The hardware=E2=80=99s not actively thwarting anything, = and FreeBSD already has drivers for most of the custom or less common = hardware. (The one exception is Wi-Fi, which is unlikely to work unless = you have quite an old Mac.) >>=20 >> When you say the boot process hangs, does the entire OS stop = responding, or just the installer? Is there any more detail in the = message than Power Fault Detected? >>=20 >> And to answer your question, yes, the hard drive has to be formatted, = but the FreeBSD installer will do that for you automatically. >>=20 >> - Felix >=20 > What Mac hardware version do you run? > Like I said in my previous reply if the user has newer Mac hardware = he's going to be in for a world of pain. >=20 > I have a 11,4 retina macbook pro and it's so problematic I bought a = new laptop. >=20 > Audio also proves problematic. >=20 > If the users laptop is newer than 11,2 there will be issues. >=20 > Best, > Owen I=E2=80=99ve run FreeBSD on everything from a PowerBook G4 through to a = MacBookPro12,1 (which is a retina the same vintage as the 11,4 except = with 13" screen). Audio works fine, as does graphics (after I submitted = a 2-line patch to fix the vt(4) hard-coded resolution limit). A touch bar will probably cause major issues, but those are only present = on the 13,2 and 13,3 (and their successors). Other than that there may be minor issues (e.g. the tilde key needing to = be remapped), but nothing that would stop me from installing FreeBSD. - Felix=