Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 04:47:15 +1100 From: Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>,"Kevin P. Neal" <kpn@neutralgood.org> Cc: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>,"Dan Mahoney (Ports)" <freebsd@gushi.org>,questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 12.4 disc 1 iso is really large Message-ID: <6B0B7DD7-8562-4E77-8809-768DB6E8ADFC@nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20221210072243.9109d9c9.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4AC6140B-2927-46C4-8405-18FA872DEAB5@gushi.org> <20221209050452.40918a6bcccb953c197ecec6@sohara.org> <Y5QPnrqluEtgLrNn@neutralgood.org> <20221210072243.9109d9c9.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On 10 December 2022 5:22:43 pm AEDT, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax=2Ede> wrote: > On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 23:48:30 -0500, Kevin P=2E Neal wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 05:04:52AM +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 22:58:01 -0600 > > > "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" <freebsd@gushi=2Eorg> wrote: > > > > All, > > > >=20 > > > > I=E2=80=99m just noticing that the standard FreeBSD iso is some 9= 59 > megs: > > > > > http://ftp=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/12=2E4/FreeB= SD-12=2E4-RELEASE-amd64-disc1=2Eiso > > > >=20 > > > > Is there something in the release notes that basically implies > we no > > > > longer expect people to burn things to actual discs? > > > You need a DVD - it's been some time since it fitted on a CD > <sigh> > > > I still remember doing installs from floppies=2E > > So=2E=2E=2E what's the point of the "disc1" image that today requires= a > DVD if > > there's also a "dvd" image made to be burned to a DVD? > I've been asking this ("complaining about it") in the past=2E > As it seems, the regular 650 MB / 700 MG size of a CD can > no longer hold a FreeBSD installation=2E=2E=2E which is strange, > because if it would be possible to reduce the amount of > packages (!) on the disc, it would be suitable for use Sorry, but there are no packages at all on disc1, or the equivalently size= d memstick=2E Only the dvd1 image has any packages, 932 in ~2=2E2GB=20 > with CD media again, as it was in the past: The classic > "4 CDs approach" of older FreeBSD versions contained: >=20 > CD #1 with system installation and _some_ packages >=20 > CD #2 with a live system >=20 > CDs #3 and #4 with all other packages >=20 > So CD #1 could always be used to install a working OS, and > you could also install some packages (like X, Midnigh Commander, > joe, vim, and other useful stuff)=2E For the ultimate selection > of packages, discs #3 and #4 would be used (if needed), ot > the installation could continue via Internet=2E However, a > complete offline installation was possible=2E Indeed=2E Trev Roydhouse used to mail me his hand-me-down 4 CD Walnut Cre= ek sets; we had 2=2E0=2E5 (?), 2=2E2=2E6 which enabled the nimnet=2Easn=2Ea= u server in '98, later 3=2Esomething, 4=2E5 =2E=2E=2E OTOH that was an AMD 586 140MHz box with 2GB RAM and a 4GB hdd, later 20GB= , with CDR later CD-RW, with 1 dialout and 3 dialup modems=2E Nostalgia ain't what it used to be=2E I've been working on retrieving the offline install possibility for months= , and managed with some tricks and patches to get 'bsdconfig packages' work= ing on the 12=2E3 dvd1 image to install X, KDE and some utilities, all offl= ine - but it's considered a weird thing to want to do these days =2E=2E=2E = what "third world connectivity"? > Strange thing: The "bootonly" and "minimal install" images > intended for use with USB media _could_ fit on a CD=2E Still can, bootonly=2Eiso is ~355MB, mini-memstick is ~360MB=2E But full installers, even without any packages, really can't; everything h= as swollen that much=2E Here are sizes >1MiB on (amd64) disc1: 2 /bin 2 /etc 3 /var 8 /sbin 13 /lib 156 /boot 812 /usr 993 / 3 /usr/libexec 19 /usr/sbin 20 /usr/lib 40 /usr/bin 127 /usr/share 605 /usr/freebsd-dist 812 /usr /usr/freebsd-dist has, all as =2Etxz: tests 13 kernel 44 ports 45 lib32 62 kernel-dbg 83 src 171 base 191 total 605MB dvd1 has in addition to the 2=2E2GB in packages, lib32-dbg & base-dbg=2Etx= z for anither 244MB, that's it=2E All of KDE seems to be there=2E Unfortunately for gnome fanciers, due to src/release/pkg-stage=2Esh not ha= ving been informed of the name change from x11/gnome3 to x11/gnome, there's= no gnome among the dvd1 packages=2E Same for 13=2E1, but did anyone notic= e? Similarly, no drm-fbsd12=2E0-kmod which many people will need; I had no su= spend / resume till finding it amongst highly scattered docs=2E > Naming convention: "img" for USB images, "dvd" for DVD images, > "disc" for CD images - but probably since FreeBSD 10 or 11, > they no longer work with CDs=2E=2E=2E >=20 > Solution: Use USB and Internet=2E Optical media is no longer > in mainstream use, so its support will surely be dropped > altogether in the future=2E "Everyone has fast Internet!" Indeed=2E Many of us will remember when people took pride in helping peop= le in resource-poor situations into the FreeBSD community, whether short of= cash, information or access to bandwidth=2E > And now GET OFF MY LAWN!!! ;-) Careful, Elon can kill your sat feed=2E=2E=2E cheers, Ian
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