From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Tue Jan 3 22:10:38 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBDAC9D9D8 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 22:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmacy@nextbsd.org) Received: from sender-of-o52.zoho.com (sender-of-o52.zoho.com [135.84.80.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CDCC2A6C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 22:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmacy@nextbsd.org) Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1483481429451453.8994862700914; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 14:10:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 14:10:29 -0800 From: Matthew Macy To: "blubee blubeeme" Cc: "Roland Smith" , "Zane C. B-H." , "x11-list freebsd" Message-ID: <159666235c7.123958e86174268.1988566489792006158@nextbsd.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20161230163653.54909631@rsbsd.rsb> <15952279f17.e0be0d8c34357.732964216134709731@nextbsd.org> <20161231120453.13adf858@thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20161231145143.18e6ac99@rsbsd.rsb> <20161231131150.GA3514@lonesome.com> <20161231160319.1a77a8fd@azsupport.com> <822e64b6a6efa38ad5331e2be3f175f9@vvelox.net> <20170103183149.GA86111@slackbox.erewhon.home> <15965d3f462.e563526350116.951917747823032795@nextbsd.org> <159663a3ce5.1150200c6170891.7342168662165756909@nextbsd.org> Subject: Re: End of year Xorg status rant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 22:10:38 -0000 ---- On Tue, 03 Jan 2017 13:37:30 -0800 blubee blubeeme wrote ---- > Well, knowing things like this up front would be helpful or is it just insider knowledge from people who were around at that time this stuff was going on. These are genuine questions I'm asking. It's not widely discussed. It reflects badly on FreeBSD as well to have a former contributor react like that. Nonetheless, it illustrates the frustration that contributors to this area might experience. > There's no reason for any corporation to fund BSD graphics work so I'm not even thinking about that. I doubt there's any funds to pay even a single developer. Barring tablet / kiosk development - which I see no case for, given the wide adoption of Android, Google's deep pockets, and the fact that no one is really making money off of *that*. > The more you look around the more it seems like there's a lot more to this issue. I am going to make contributions but I'd like to avoid reinventing the wheel but I also don't want for freebsd to be dependent on things outside its control which seems nuts. Every year new graphics hardware comes out and applications come to depend on new interfaces. The FreeBSD community has little say in either. -M