From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 12 9: 1:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt011n65.san.rr.com [204.210.13.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421C5157E5 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA79500; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37B2EFAE.8F64DF5@gorean.org> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:00:46 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0811 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Good Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the mascot References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thomas Good wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Doug wrote: > > > > > You are proving my point here. You don't care about the marketing > > > > implications at all, it just makes you feel good to know that you are > > > > > > Argumentum ad hominem, Doug. > > > > No, an ad hominem argument is something like, "You're ugly and your mother > > dresses you funny, therefore you are wrong about the mascot." My pointing > > You stated previously: [quote snipped] > Or was this another `Doug' ? > > Your assertion is that my alleged disdain for society is why I oppose > your efforts to sanitize the mascot... I am not trying to sanitize anything. And yes, I said that, and I stand by it as an accurate depiction of your position. > You also term FreeBSD a `vanity OS'. I didn't actually, that's a direct quote from Jordan on another thread a while back. FreeBSD is a vanity OS by and for the developers. The fact that it frequently is the best tool for other jobs is the result of the fact that the developers like to put out a good product. > > Now we're veering off into an area that can't be debated on its merits, so > > there is no point in continuing down that road. In reality I am quite well > > informed about marketing principles but there is no point in trying to > > prove that to you. > > Impressive counterpoint. You are using terms you don't understand, in a context you don't understand to describe concepts you don't understand. There is no point in trying to convince you of my background, experience, or the validity of my points because you are not interested in the truth of any of that. You prove that continually by trying to cast me in the role of "evil censor" when in fact I'm not trying to do what you accuse me of. You then respond by redefining "free speech" and "censorship" to fit your needs. So obviously trying to continue this argument on its merits is pointless. > You *are* proposing that they market their product in a twofold manner. > In a style of their choosing - and one of your choosing becuase it makes > you less uncomfortable. I never said that it makes me uncomfortable. Personally I don't give a rat's ass about the logo (although the animated gif with the blinking eyes is pretty cool). I've stated my actual point often enough by now that if you really cared you would have picked up on it, so I won't bother stating it again. I will say that I find it fascinating that the very idea of creating freebsd stuff without chuck could provoke such a violent reaction in people. I wonder what that means . . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message