From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 26 23:08:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFC745122C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42a.google.com (mail-wr1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CKr9l38Y2z3ccV for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id w1so797287wrm.4 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:08:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3GC7EQ51y7G/PU7zl7y/QpINTAxlDuKnkEW3GaZmDak=; b=FIpEGPaxm1S92aMrkVziY/UEngWbkIrjfAq84HmcJhhafUKS2MPay8FSq3lq1t/J6P Evc36HyC5o8iLM4oBnn/gGn34gIjvQUskDXIZeAHFiMRCqFlxyjgo8OB2EQMlX95go7u 0YR6U197ok/CJl9XZIk0cRHwkBkyEUA5TeSu62TdPmrHRw5utPtFbAI4jWZYf44/NTZS UOoVThaW3CqoRk7RvoMlWf3D+QgpRtRhYUZzQHt/G314JW70soEfVoZ9AAh+IXOvKm6a INhJIoYd6O36GFZMF1r9r6I8OtZR2l+Oep3j0hEoRi0ME5iQm8GNOUwoScn6m4/3huW5 qTkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5326I7qZwen202Ek4hAPwxNH3NHV2+AuT+95awtfkquo4rPpChhk GeP+VPSsgMZ07PvDdrrLTBFARpS2e5YNCA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwew8y8C9Laz5HCCpiuwdsjP/Rn7h02UPPHKqiPaMuey3P1JQypVcTI+6fuDPeijbqEQ2o96A== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:1151:: with SMTP id d17mr21555606wrx.363.1603753720816; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.121.231.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u15sm25104612wrm.77.2020.10.26.16.08.39 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:08:36 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the "better / best " method to multi-boot different OSes natively WITHOUT VirtualBox(es) ? Message-ID: <20201026230836.5cd9e0dc@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20201026180155.48690495@archlinux> References: <20201024111010.5c867e8540a369b826d26703@sohara.org> <20201025065025.6a13dc89@archlinux> <20201025173321.8adee3e5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20201026153012.0cf46ec8@gumby.homeunix.com> <10e0134ddb726ac78174a63bd20ec0bdeb3c896d.camel@riseup.net> <20201026180155.48690495@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CKr9l38Y2z3ccV X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.63 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.66)[-0.660]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[2.121.231.131:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.977]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42a:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:08:44 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 18:01:55 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 17:51:04 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >In my experiences it isn't a myth. The intern HDDs of my PCs did last > >for around 2 years, when turning the computer off and on several > >times a day and they did last for around 7 years, if the machine > >runs more or less 24/7. > > Btw. almost all of the times drives of both kind of usage failed with > a click, click noise, because they were unable to release the heads. If the head was stuck then why did it click? Clicking suggests the head moved. My guess is that it attempted something 3 times and parked after each failure.