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Date:      Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:43:55 -0600
From:      Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
To:        Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.net>
Cc:        Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net>, Florian Smeets <flo@FreeBSD.org>, ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Proposed ports deprecation and removal policy
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In-Reply-To: <46bc57fc-90af-004e-b722-114869097408@grosbein.net>
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In message <46bc57fc-90af-004e-b722-114869097408@grosbein.net>, Eugene 
Grosbein
 writes:
> 16.03.2024 17:03, Daniel Engberg wrote:
>
> > A key difference is though that browsers such as Firefox or Chromium are ma
> intained upstream including reporting etc.
>
> It does not stop browsers from being vulnerable all the time. All times. So, 
> no difference in practical point of view.
> In theory, there is difference. Not in practice.
>
> Eugen

You know, if they'd only stop adding features (which also counts for 
actively maintained) and focus on fixing security bugs, would browsers only 
start to gain some resilience to being hacked.

Actively maintained comes in two flavors:

1. Bug fixes.

2. New features.

Security fixes by and large fall in the bug fixes category. New features 
will many times introduce new vulnerabilities. One could argue that 
software that continues to introduce new features may have a tendency to be 
less secure. Maybe we should take the middle ground and only support 
software that is not to aggressively maintained either.

This of course sounds absurd. Software that is still maintained by an 
upstream but has not witnessed a new release may in fact be mature. And if 
mature software is not updated with security fixes (because it may just 
happen to to not have any known vulnerabilities) nor be updated with new 
features (because there is no need for new features), is just as absurd.

There's more to actively maintained than security fixes. Most of the time 
it's new features, or put it another way new shiny objects to interest us.

The forest is made of many trees. Not just one.


-- 
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
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