From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Wed May 16 17:11:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9351EEE36E for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 17:11:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [192.108.105.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81E8971F2C; Wed, 16 May 2018 17:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (bones.soaustin.net [192.108.105.22]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2402BB3B; Wed, 16 May 2018 12:11:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 12:11:22 -0500 From: Mark Linimon To: blubee blubeeme Cc: Johannes Lundberg , x11-list freebsd , Niclas Zeising Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20180516171121.GB27088@lonesome.com> References: <20170222120828.zkrfh56swen7r44o@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <3635692.Vys3mgEcQY@workstation.reztek> <237b2552-c97c-fd41-5509-ed611f0103dd@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 17:11:25 -0000 On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 05:48:31PM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > There are talented devs out there who can get the work done, they > just need to be financing, then organized. Ah. Financing. It's possible to do nearly anything with unlimited financing. Let me know what you line up. I've been trying to figure out some way to make Open Source work generate some kind of income for _years_. What you're saying is equivalent to "first, you build the highway; after that, driving on it is easy!" Yeah. The "build the highway" part is the hard part and you've just dismissed that. > If stating that the FreeBSD graphics stack is in a sad position is > "shitting on people" then I'm guilty of that. What's "shitting on people" is your attitude which, frankly, stinks. You're treating people, who are actually doing work, very poorly. You're dismissing their work and lecturing them. This demotivates people. In my all time on FreeBSD, posts of the form "I demand that XYZ be done, and done my way, but I don't have the time to work on it" go absolutely nowhere, and instead make the poster look bad. mcl