From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 18 09:34:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F36C16A47E for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:34:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6C013C455 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:34:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id l0I9Y5nY084571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:34:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id l0I9Y2Yi084563; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 ([192.168.200.61]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA00727; Thu, 18 Jan 07 01:01:59 PST Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:04:27 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au Message-Id: <45af381b.ysizMLe3qcXvqCYe%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F1267327@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> In-Reply-To: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F1267327@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this mean by this term X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:34:16 -0000 > Unfortunately all Micro$lop 'standard' email clients and a > few others put the cursor at the top of the email, so the > bad habit has developed across the world both domestically > and in businesses, to write there, rather than continuing > the email thread at the bottom. This behavior of business-oriented email systems (not just M$ -- CC:Mail does the same thing IIRC) may have originated with customer preference. The reasoning, which *does not* apply to News or to archived email lists, goes something like this: * A good many business threads start out as informal conversations between two, or among a few, often not including any archived mailing list. It is not at all uncommon for such a thread to develop a need for a larger audience along the way, and in such cases those joining later need a way to review the entire history -- not just a few selective quotes which at best were intended to remind participants of the context. The critical aspect is that, by the time the participants realize that this particular discussion really should have been archived, it's a bit late in the game to do so; thus this argument clearly does not apply to lists which are archived at the outset. * To allow for that eventuality, some (many?) businesses encourage participants in informal discussion threads to retain the whole message history (so that, when someone needs to be added mid- stream, the history is inherently included with the forwarded message). This argument implicitly presumes that email bandwidth, and to a lesser extent storage, are of little consequence -- which certainly was not true of widely-distributed lists in the days when most message traffic was carried over voice-grade phone lines at 9600 BPS or less and a *large* disk farm contained maybe 1GB! * If one is going to retain the whole history anyway, it is easier for the recipients to read the latest contribution at the top. The only time someone has to navigate to the bottom is when they initially become involved in an ongoing discussion. The bottom line is that top-posting makes no sense at all in News, or on an archived email list, because the history can easily be retrieved as needed. It may have a legitimate place in unarchived, informal discussions, especially in business situations where the audience may need to expand. Outfits like M$ probably believe, and perhaps with some justification, that most of their customers fall into the latter usage pattern.