From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 14:47:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65906106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:47:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f191.google.com (mail-px0-f191.google.com [209.85.216.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E778FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:47:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: by pxi29 with SMTP id 29so2273943pxi.3 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:47:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xLWmY9w2ersfpAKjW+tZ6hhbbdqFlF9s16IbLFB4OR0=; b=nURalk8/kdNbL86B8jhsCdTNrI1oi+1T+yipTDXXNBEimjYoh5B4ja6ZHZwdw1Ro9w q1UIfjN7GXV7ikmDZmwV0FreXXhqpopuTwhApEoyoFExY8N5EvtwboNJ2DeGVa4JXeSl 6JqPdMXb32oU1nVEBFhZH04zMBbgnl41aP28U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CkwtnIJaGOr3BMnQ2drDV6axUfIHcsTQg8soSUrFNqt+iN0Lqfmv0hNTbj8SZrnf2H qrBbxk58EcDbxZE8UI8arZFb/lVtGfwTZ4T2L1iwrML8vgjoPvqSYWYqpHrO/K7g2cgX GDESA/EUM7Pjn+TpqHMyo4Vncr5fKchjjUdI8= Received: by 10.114.15.9 with SMTP id 9mr7821480wao.82.1246114033884; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pbbi.freebsd.localdomain ([122.162.52.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j28sm8014594waf.32.2009.06.27.07.47.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A4630F0.4060906@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:17:12 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090618) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:47:14 -0000 > Hi, > > I agree that vi is nowhere as easy to use as ee. Since a lot of people seem to be happy with ee, why not make it available under /bin so that that there is an easy-to-use, readily-working editor always available, even if you are in single-user mode ? > > That in fact was the essence of this entire thread. The thing is /bin/ed and /rescue/vi have their unique problems and peculiarities. If at least there can be a general consensus that ee should be under /bin, a lot of people could possibly find it beneficial in emergencies. The problem again, I suspect, might be that moving ee to /bin would possibly need the terminal database to be kept under / directly, which goes against freebsd's obsession with a micro-minimalistic base. > > One solution might be to keep a pared-down version of the database that provides only for the most commonly used terminals to be placed under /, and single-user mode set up to use this database. Hi, I agree that vi is nowhere as easy to use as ee. Since a lot of people seem to be happy with ee, why not make it available under /bin so that that there is an easy-to-use, readily-working editor always available, even if you are in single-user mode ? That in fact was the essence of this entire thread. The thing is /bin/ed and /rescue/vi have their unique problems and peculiarities. If at least there can be a general consensus that ee should be under /bin, a lot of people could possibly find it beneficial in emergencies. The problem again, I suspect, might be that moving ee to /bin would possibly need the terminal database to be kept under / directly, which goes against freebsd's concept of a micro-minimalistic base. One solution might be to keep a pared-down version of the database that provides only for the most commonly used terminals placed under / and single-user mode set up to use this database. -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won.