From owner-freebsd-arch Sun Jun 16 13:40:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AE937B425; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org ([12.232.206.8]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020616204009.WQFO20219.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@InterJet.elischer.org>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:40:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10855; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Gordon Tetlow Cc: Doug Barton , Nik Clayton , Brian Somers , arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.x compatibilty.. Was: MFC of rcNG? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Gordon Tetlow wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Doug Barton wrote: > > > [Moved to -arch, since the cvs-* lists have suffered enough recently.] > > > > The only MFC candidate I'd like to see is /etc/rc.subr. This would allow > the ports collection to use the facilities provided by rcng while not > making everything dependent on whether you are using CURRENT or STABLE. > The reason for having 4.x branch is for 'backwards compaitible' changes to be made available to users of 4.x FreeBSD. The only features fo rcNG that can be MFC'd are those that are pure additions. For example I know companies that have changes that rely very heavily on the current rc layout. These are national and international banks so please do NOT break this if you want to be able to get jobs at these places as FreeBSD admins, or even use them as FreeBSD references, because the reason they use BSD is stability. If we start pissing them off they might as well go elsewhere. As of this writing, They are (some have) transitioning from 4.1.1+SAs to 4.4p13. they will continue to sit on 4.4pxx until about June to October 2003 when they will transition to 4.8 (at least this is the plan they have indicated at this time (they don't like upgrading more than once every two years because they need to do a complete system retest before thay will accept a new release from us)). Some were so happy with 4.1.1 that they have hung back there longer than anticipated.. The plan I am suggesting to them at the moment is to migrate to 5.4 or later in about 2005. By then hopefully the need for the SNA cards we have in them at the moment with proprietary drivers (binary only) will have subsided so we won't need to get those drivers rewritten for us... (So binary compatibility from 4.1.1 to 4.8 is a big deal for us for drivers.. including mbuf layout,, ISA interface, ifnet layout etc.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message