From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 16 07:11:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD4E25C702 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 07:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48gnX90ZTNz4bt1 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 07:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=iPd+8B/OzASwxrXvurfArqjoKktKFg9IlHd9EQsy0ok=; b=SRHDBRQjJas56XWGoNl7Ak2llz sCtdfBAxpzADfQP5Nj5fdNp+boNZc6OW1Mc8XfDA/3S3TXc2O4kAm8UnEon7uWNZwnRqeXPqOODmq 86job8/dSB1yOKeNFLh66a5YnUQveopfQpS559QHZpxZLs+Zr/QXKQaduYbBLyliLT7s=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.93.0.4 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jDjtu-000O3O-Pe for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 14:11:02 +0700 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 14:11:02 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200316071102.GD90309@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RhUH2Ysw6aD5utA4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48gnX90ZTNz4bt1 X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=SRHDBRQj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.43 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.35)[ip: (-9.89), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.89), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 07:11:06 -0000 --RhUH2Ysw6aD5utA4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 13:38:18 +0700 > Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 > > But jails lack a repository of ready-made containers with applications. >=20 > True - but there's never been anything to prevent setting one up, > iocage has export, import, rename and snapshot which should provide the > necessary core. >=20 > > To be honest, jails lack even a decent management infrastructure. Yes we >=20 > There are several iocage, ezjail, cbsd, bsdploy, jest to mention > just a few. I find iocage suits my needs well enough. Oh, I've met an iocage person. Steve, can iocage export thin provisioned images? If you publish an iocage image e.g. of a Moodle server, will it contain the whole underlying FreeBSD system within? >=20 > > have bits like "pkg -j", "bectl jail", "bsdinstall jail", > > "freebsd-update -b" but nobody cared to build a convenient > > infrastructure out of all this, not to speak about a repository of > > ready-made jails for different purposes. >=20 > Quite so, FreeBSD has all the bits to do it and has had for some > time, but nobody wanted a repository of pre-built jails enough to make on= e. > Nothing stops you from starting one based around one of the tools above or > from scratch based on the native support. It gets done internally by > organisations using FreeBSD to provide images that have been tested and > vetted by internal dev-ops and security folks - such organisations also > tend to build their own docker repository rather than trusting ones from > the net. The last time I checked, "image provision" was broken in sysutils/vm-bhyve and nobody cares: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D241699 --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --RhUH2Ysw6aD5utA4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJebyaGAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY034AIAJeiJf7iJW6ZvwjKb3AKZing QBCwME35YdJusJYwg2ZgJmO8uIk6uekIxHYyCPxk5R5PEvpqKh0I/ZVCOzE+IbLZ 8Nlb69NRYFypkSFW5arlmLPuEFe2vZJs/663eTsHX6s0TkDXI0OBcopRlAQg31ek 04ZbM1h0+HNqh5V7zESkte4AIT8z6F1ie+SZMVP/1CQeRwGZWwPL7vYy2c3r6wvK M7qqFd/FJNN/PTJIXhxAN6T4OVos5dacKXde9p4B+zMb5TEyAkBqffWX/wz4mRx3 4Cw2ZneBFG4HqE2AEe5bpztVrOZSsc0JBPUYU4VFfKhOzzFJRialbM31KH5cDqc= =CXYE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RhUH2Ysw6aD5utA4--