From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 17:26:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5AB37B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610BD43EB2 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:26:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0N1QYrC083528; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:26:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0N1QXb1083527; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:26:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:26:33 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: Nick Rogness Cc: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting started as an ISP Message-ID: <20030123012633.GA83391@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <200301221928.h0MJSJ7l041222@nic-naa.net> <20030122172412.L52063-100000@skywalker.rogness.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030122172412.L52063-100000@skywalker.rogness.net> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.43 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While normally not able to pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel, on Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 17:47 our dear friend Nick Rogness uttered this load of codswallop: > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote: > > A few weeks ago I sent a note asking for help getting started > > running out of my basement. Two people were kind enough to > > reply, and I've cleverly (not!) lost their mail. > > My situation has changed slightly. Originally I'd a set of iXsystems > > 1300 boxen running -STABLE and -CURRENT, and nothing else, all in my > > basement. Now I've more resources -- the assets of a failed ISP. > > I'd like to know what other small- to medium-sized ISPs > > consider the core set of service to provide dial-up service. > > The functional set of boxes, from dns to radius to ... > RADIUS is the only thing you need to offer dialup service. > However, that wouldn't make things very interesting now would > it. So these are just a few core services that I believe are > required to be considered a "normal" dialup service provider: > -DNS (DNS service, domain hosting, etc) > -Web/FTP (Web storage space) > -EMAIL (POP/IMAP/SMTP) > -NEWS > Web/FTP and Email service are relatively simple to provide to > customers. I recommend outsourcing News to some provider as it > is cumbersome and expensive to build/run/operate. That is quite an understatement. Going over some specs with an engineer in a Level 3 facility a couple of weeks ago he said a full news feed runs about 78Mbits/second. Even if was of by an order of magnitude that would come to 60GB day and I've heard almost a year ago it's been well over 100GB day, so his 600GB figure is not that far off. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message