From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 02:08:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF11316A4CE for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:08:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8F3843D41 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:08:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 31076 invoked by uid 65534); 14 Nov 2004 02:08:22 -0000 Received: from pD9E2460F.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO lofi.dyndns.org) (217.226.70.15) by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 14 Nov 2004 03:08:22 +0100 X-Authenticated: #443188 Received: from [192.168.8.4] (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAE28Gbp089827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 14 Nov 2004 03:08:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Message-ID: <4196BE10.6060306@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 03:08:16 +0100 From: Michael Nottebrock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Andree References: <20041113101925.GB70256@voodoo.oberon.net> <20041113174948.GD76034@nevermind.kiev.ua> <419655EB.8070506@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: ports@FreeBSD.org cc: Kirill Ponomarew Subject: Re: HEADSUP: INDEX[-5] files were removed from CVS. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:08:26 -0000 Matthias Andree wrote: > It's unfortunate that major changes are made without public consultation > and then only halfway. I don't believe that any bikeshedding on this list would have contributed any useful ideas except maybe "don't change anything", which has been considered as an option (but not pursued). FWIW, the change isn't so major at all. Instead of outdated indices from CVS, you now get no indices. The 'major' fallout if caused by portupgrade, but I haven't seen anybody complaining about portupgrade yet. Setting PORTS_INDEX (in environment or pkgtools.conf) to some other value than portupgrade's default (PORTSDIR/INDEX) should avoid the constant rebuilding for portupgrade users, redefining INDEXFILE in make.conf to something different than INDEX or INDEX-5 should avoid it for non-portupgrade users. Perhaps somebody can verify this so it can go into an UPDATING entry... > "make fetchindex" runs on the order of a minute for my machine (1 Mbit/s > link), but I'm definitely not using "make index" on my K6-2/300. > > It's about time for a _fast_ index generator, or a cache so that only > changed records are replaced. I think one has been mentioned in this thread, but since it's written in perl, it's not a candidate for base-system inclusion... > INDEX has been an annoyance ever since but > no-one has a decent solution how ports can do without. Perhaps the recent events will contribute to depart from the stalemate ports have been in, with no real development going on and portupgrade being 'good enough' for everybody. Perhaps it will just result in portupgrade stopping depending on INDEX to the extent as it does now, which will be 'good enough' again for most people. -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org