From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 9 10: 7:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C329937B401 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3916A43E81 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:07:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89H7DGd009523; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:07:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g89H7DOd009520; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:07:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:07:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <20020909005153.GA9363@hades.hell.gr> Message-ID: <20020909095924.K9219-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > Eh, you think I'm making this stuff up? You are being somewhat dense. > > If God could be fully comprehended, he would not be God. Why does the > > creature think he can comprehend that which transcends him? > > The creature is not convinced that there is a need for a supernatural, > incomprehensible, impossible to understand, reach, or in any way > grasp being in order to behave rationally. You can repeat a thousand > times "you need my god", but the basic question which is "why would > i need such a thing?" remains unanswered so far. You haven't been paying attention. You could not even string 10 words together into a sentence or even speak without assuming the uniformity of nature which is only possible on a theistic worldview. By the way, who ever said God was "impossible to understand"? It is impossible for finite creatures to fully comprehend Him, but that doesn't mean that what He *has* revealed about Himself is not understandable. More to the point, to answer your question, yet again, why such a God is necessary, is that science, language, reason, universal standards, logic, human freedom, human dignity, love, hate, good, bad, indifference, honesty, integrity, all of these are completely unintelligible without a reference point that is fixed by which all of these things could have any meaning whatsoever. When you build your house on sand, don't be surprised when it crashes to the ground when the rains come. Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message