Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:20:51 mst7mst From: 01031149@3web.net To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WTF!! Building from source Message-ID: <20001101205217.C485637B4CF@hub.freebsd.org>
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On 1 Nov 00 at 5:27, Mike Meyer wrote: > leoric@home.com types: > > I have read things from the FreeBSD webpage, archived mailing list > > posts, and /usr/src/UPDATING. The proper way to build world and build a > > kernel from source is different in each of these. <snip> > Be warned that some of the things that can be set in /etc/make.conf > can cause the method with config to break, and some can cause the > system to be unbootable until the intallworld is done. Hi Mike.... I probably shouldn't do this to the thread, however to me it begs the question... In light of another current thread on this list, "beginners with bsd" and the various recommendations therein, it would seem that your above warning points to a FBSD deficiency that would absolutely and totally collapse a computer and/or FBSD newbie's experience with same. What would you see as necessary changes to FBSD to preclude such an experience/event and perhaps cast FBSD in something other than a "not-for-the-faint-hearted" OS and still retain *all* the flexibility that *nix "power-users" require/demand? As always, I look forward to your comments. Tia... -duke Calgary,Alberta, Canada From: 01031149@3web.net To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:57:59 mst7mst MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: beginners with bsd CC: questions@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.50 On 1 Nov 00 at 5:56, Mike Meyer wrote: <snip> > I agree with igor. There is as much to learn with a GUI as with a > CLI. The difference is that a GUI displays a partial list of things to > try, instead of having an unknown list of command names. In one case, > you have to learn what each of the funky buttons does (and I've > *never* seen a GUI that was intuitively obvious to someone who's never > used one before), in the other you have to learn the funky words and > what they do. The GUI makes simple things easy to get to, but that's > only useful if your definition of "simple things" and the designers > happen to coincide. If they don't, then you're probably going to wind > lost in a maze of buttons and menus, trying to find what you > need. That's much more painful than being lost in a maze of > directories. I agree! I've introduced 60+ yr olds to computers who had absolutely *no* previous exposure. The win9x GUI was a baffling as a blank, black CLI. OTOH, once I installed a *simple* menu program running in a DOS shell, showed them the up/down arrows and enter keys, these folks at the retirement home quickly rewarded. A couple of months later, I added a layer or two to the menu and let them play with *that*. No probs... Once they felt comfortable simply sitting in front of a computer and then using the menu, learning to navigate the GUI came surprisingly quickly. IMHnewbieO, the above scenario could have just as easily happened on FBSD. However, there's *no way* the majority of the above folks could have *installed* FBSD. So maybe an automatic CLI install auto-loading "midc" e.g. would be in order? later.... -duke Calgary,Alberta, Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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