From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 15 16:46:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from misha.privatelabs.com (misha.privatelabs.com [66.9.25.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E27F37B403; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misha.privatelabs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by misha.privatelabs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f9FNk9m74408; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:46:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@aldan.algebra.com) Message-Id: <200110152346.f9FNk9m74408@misha.privatelabs.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: mi@aldan.algebra.com Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com Subject: Re: Lessons learned from 4.4. upgrade problems To: des@ofug.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, julian@vicor-nb.com, Developers@FreeBSD.org, DougB@yahoo-inc.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 15 Oct, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > mi@aldan.algebra.com writes: >> Adding to that -- I have a Pentium-100, where the 4.4-install kernel >> panics always -- right after the visual configuration. Regardless of >> what, if anything, was configured. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/advanced.html#KERNEL-PANIC-TROUBLESHOOTING > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html Yes, I know. Of course. I've read those pages several times, and followed them in the past. Such following requires considerable effort, which is usually wasted -- judging by my past experience. I decided not to go through it again, until I receive a response to the initial panic-complaint saying something like: "mm, weird, could you send me the stack dump, I'll take a look?". I understand, that such panics are difficult to reproduce, but without prior assurances, that my detailed reports will not be ignored until irrelevance, I refuse to create them. In fact, this URLs were already pointed out to me, and others, who adopted a similar view. And my current attitude was already explained before -- also publicly. Doug Barton wrote: > It would have been much better to start a new thread in -stable. The initial panic-complaint was sent to -stable a week ago with no responses. > Regardless of where you think the thread should be discussed, it's > rude to forward mail sent to a private list (like developers) to a > public list. Even though, I think the distinction between private and public FreeBSD mailing lists is purely in one's perception, I have to point out, that my response contained only a tiny quote of the original, "private" message. Sorry if anyone was, indeed, offended. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message