From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 24 23:01:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCAB1FEE24 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x735.google.com (mail-qk1-x735.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::735]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 484F4k0rKcz3Bqp for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:01:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x735.google.com with SMTP id g195so3723956qke.13 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:01:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Fa4RlVYqkVAUg6WNFImO8NcBxs2M0WFlSMDHyvlSMik=; b=h3qHtpTtft02kf24vT5d+3r9tD8IPR+J4jmNLo+elpiD/rNpt5BPiZo9rxy83T6IDJ gD4uHghPO54OOkNqm+pxBv3THFQvn8SF/fFK4OxEXBpo/kbHwasIg6H7x3sRG5CD3fzi 1H/61tfTNlz4gZBZk2nH8hq7Po/O4nb7jUjgOFi6Spi/2UIzRrAnY7ofSOsen/VH3Pti Br+m1Vk5aeSGrUQ505xQaQwQlSZ3D0a3qAItRQdMHjmeYcKkCy8/85uA88pTJBypRbBD KyhizqQmIkJ+EQwqHorl4FXiFS6UXbCMxWN6WrztgnhIWRjy2vGpXW36Ih9DEv3J4Nt/ NcFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Fa4RlVYqkVAUg6WNFImO8NcBxs2M0WFlSMDHyvlSMik=; b=KChhMXeubn4wkfRS8Wf/neneS1yhXtt48+tQx/ZU28o+ej29t/y9w4K39GQM8bccyQ 4uxH8nfc0Y9KJrCf/S8dwGJLTseIs9mTDAVs0Dt5dF8mXU5A3PJPU0bLkAPCZWLdRIwS qn1QB/ZfC9dM3e5/x47OSCRzPkMVGS0C0YGsKe694P0aWCmPAQXwEa9rq+89a3vrGalP LwIcJw4Sjx24WbLJPFTchOzDT0Nb5imwifmmI0aZqIjooRnu3GCr4bAdMDaODf0op2MZ 0vIDu+7HCuVA6LblgB5iNnd3rLlCDAgSdwODiyqrJjuSt211t3sadh9aY8mnL9B1lE/C 9WNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUjk7SKVZW+C6uQF0icSOkoq30d/1tBoIa0dshvmK6hvyaibyXP DjaZOAGjgCewnrlksSnxr1S05e0k1tPXPBgJoTAlcUS0t3g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxsQbQIOv2TWVrgLKEFPUCxvRluORzElkkkHZspm6tVpThZYRRCTvNUuM/jiUa+Xc3jg1K9uIgA9oZl7jMTWOE= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6cc1:: with SMTP id h184mr5223193qkc.96.1579906884973; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:01:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> <20200124221319.d4e7fa438cbb1f30da10af2d@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200124221319.d4e7fa438cbb1f30da10af2d@sohara.org> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:00:48 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rust in base To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 484F4k0rKcz3Bqp X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=h3qHtpTt; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::735) smtp.mailfrom=kudzu@tenebras.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.94 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-2.64)[ip: (-9.30), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.06), asn: 15169(-1.80), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:01:27 -0000 On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 2:13 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote= : > On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:02:55 +0000 (UTC) > Ihor Antonov wrote: > > > So there are 2 questions: > > - technical one: how bootstrapping issue can be solved? > > - what does FreeBSD community think of the idea to have Rust in base? > > Some years back a great deal of work was done to remove perl from > the base so adding Rust (or anything else) would be a step back. An old B= SD > goal is that base should be just enough to be self hosting and be BSD > (removing the traditional games from the base took some discussion). > > As a fellow embedded guy, +1 to what Steve says. Even things in the "Base" should probably have package db entries so they can be removed. Target systems don't necessarily need a compiler or a full tool chain. Then we can converge on a consensus set of basic tools that most people will need, with the opportunity to remove them =E2=80=93 rather than creating a mini/micro/nano-FreeBSD =E2=80=93 Michael --=20 "Well," Brahm=C4=81 said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is = no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata