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>> problem that was created. Instead of simply doing it right.
>
> Ok, that is my que...
>
> Jails have one important property which as far as I know is unique to
> all other virtualizations:  You can reach into the jail, unseen.

I don't mean jails are bad. They are very useful.

But are NOT needed for most cases.