From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 30 14:35:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9064916A4CE for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:35:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from daemon.li (daemon.li [213.203.244.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF82043D2F for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:35:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josef@daemon.li) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by daemon.li with local; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:35:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:35:36 +0000 From: Josef El-Rayes To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20041230143536.GF16248@daemon.li> References: <41D349F3.6020205@nbritton.org> <20041230140727.GD16248@daemon.li> <41D410BE.2010505@nbritton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_daemon.li-17921-1104417336-0001-2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41D410BE.2010505@nbritton.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Tools of the trade on the *nix platform? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:35:37 -0000 This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_daemon.li-17921-1104417336-0001-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nikolas Britton : > I like perl, what's that tell you? :-) Most of the time I do use a=20 > programmers editor but for large amounts of code generation and=20 > layout (Like starting a brand new site or playing with layout=20 > ideas) you can't beat it! As far as bad code, the only code thats=20 > bad code is one that doesn't validate@W3C. did you read my whole=20 > post?, guess I should have started with the programmers editor and=20 > ended with the wysiwyg. its just my opinion. validate code does not mean it is 'good code'. when i see something like

its valid, but it unnecessariliy blows up the html file. and wysiwyg editors tend to create such things, at least when i used to have them in use (5 years back). creating code out of clicking around with the mouse is a non-trivial task and this is why none of these kind of software creates code as good as one you write manually with your hand. when i play with layout ideas i take a pencil and a sheet of paper. and then i turn it into code, with my favourite editor. thats the game. but, there are wysiwig editors for freebsd. just take a look in the ports collection (bluefish and quanta i remember, but i am not sure). greets, josef --=20 Josef El-Rayes (__) Email: josef@daemon.li \\\'',)=20 Web: http://daemon.li/ \/ \ ^ FreeBSD Security Team .\._/_) --=_daemon.li-17921-1104417336-0001-2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQdQSN1nFItmnnbU8AQKhxwgAn65OqjQ32XBIwdOu2hhlv3m7K+lSzMXk /Y/w4SNzmZBKPVcjhAulaUiO/tbj2lT6b2Dqt4b18JHY0iBFciflOsqwxo9tRxom I/lRdyWWtEhRQDRhn8qgHNutimqjR8FPumzRZXfckYCcZfzTzo2YHU9UyVOjlkBX LIFyff+QrriDbPHgGPVzgT1w2UYIZkdqkP3tWsgpyBP6kZRBGeDW9TsSG0uPqhnZ LaY0GXz0cCPPBxR0LWd1J7faRpiDP68JKI7TBs9kO9PxPJAfs9vp/Q4zvJCJ91+S oOgt00Nn5AthVnLFg1cDYne2ReotGBGF0zib0rA10GELIHzik70agw== =8Szh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_daemon.li-17921-1104417336-0001-2--