From owner-cvs-all Fri Nov 15 2:14:11 2002 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C4937B401; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C0B43E42; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:14:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFAE1FC007787; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:14:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFAE1d3007786; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:14:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:14:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200211151014.gAFAE1d3007786@apollo.backplane.com> To: Harti Brandt Cc: Harti Brandt , "M. Warner Losh" , , , , , Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/bin/sleep sleep.c References: <20021115105019.C2812-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't see how this has anything to do with a mini-c library. You seem to be proposing that every program in bin be rewritten to support multiple languages. That is a totally separate issue. I am not proposing that the use of a mini-c library cause program output to be different then it would be with libc. If at some future date someone wishes to put in serious multi-language support then those programs would simply not be compiled with a mini-c or, alternatively, one could have a make.conf variable to enable or disable the mini-c mode, or set a particular language statically for mini-c. Either way this line of thought has nothing to do with my current mini-c proposal. -Matt : :On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Matthew Dillon wrote: : :MD> I think you are missing the point. If you need language support, :MD> the program should not be compiled with a mini C library. It's :MD> that simple. :MD> :MD> Consider: Does /bin/sleep need language support? : :As sleep currently stands it has a hard coded decimal point '.' and it has :an english usage message. This may and probably should change (esp. the :'.'). Then it will need language support. You can of course always say: if :you're gonna use Unix you should speak english... (Personally, I never :change my language settings away from the default (english) settings and :don't want my error messages in my local language, but I know, there are :people that care, because they have *real* users). : :I did not look through the programs in /bin, but I expect all of them :have at least a usage(). : :harti :-- :harti brandt, http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.brandt/private : brandt@fokus.gmd.de, brandt@fokus.fhg.de : Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message