From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 21:17:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EE616A4CE for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2BA43D1F for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:17:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wegster@mindcore.net) Received: from mindcore.net (rdu162-234-100.nc.rr.com [24.162.234.100]) i1J5H5kF003678; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:17:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <403446D1.5000701@mindcore.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:17:05 -0500 From: Scott W User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031129 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ian j hart References: <200402152046.55853.racerx@makeworld.com> <200402152104.57482.racerx@makeworld.com> <200402151916.13790.kstewart@owt.com> <200402181959.13869.ianjhart@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <200402181959.13869.ianjhart@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Kent Stewart Subject: Re: 5.2.1-RC1 and RC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:17:08 -0000 ian j hart wrote: >On Monday 16 February 2004 3:16 am, Kent Stewart wrote: > > >>On Sunday 15 February 2004 07:04 pm, Chris wrote: >> >> >>>On Sunday 15 February 2004 09:00 pm, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Chris wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Is is me? Or has something changed in 5.2 that tends to make >>>>>systems freeze up during portupgrade? Mainly - KDE-3.2.0 >>>>> >>>>>That being said, I seem to be seeing this more often on other >>>>>upgrades. Strange thing is, I considered it to be my PC however, >>>>>I never seem to run into the total freeze when doing a >>>>>buildworld. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>No trouble here upgrading 5.2 to current on my desktop and no >>>>trouble upgrading my 5.2p1 to 5.2RC2 on my server. I suspect your >>>>problem is hardware or driver related. >>>> >>>>Tom Veldhouse >>>> >>>> >>>Tom, >>> >>> My upgrades (5.2.1 -> 5.2.1-RC1 -> 5.2.1-RC2) went flawless. The >>>issues I'm having is during portupgrade. >>> >>>Kent, >>> Interesting - I did as you advised. I am typically running between >>>113 and 125 degrees (F) My AMD did come with a fan. Perchance I ought >>>to look into alternative cooling? >>> >>> >>Mine ran like that for 53 weeks. The warranty was for 52. When it died, >>it litterally blew one of the voltage regulator ICs on the motherboard. >>All I saw was a flash of light at the same time as a loud bang and the >>top right corner of the IC disappeared. Out was towards me but I didn't >>feel it hit nor could I find it. >> >> > >Much as I love AMD, I would have to agree about the fans. I bought boxed CPUs >with fans as I expected that this would provide the right level of cooling >(and reliability). IIRC the warranty was 2 years. When the first one went >"wobbly" I replaced the lot. It's just not worth taking the chance. > >To the OP, re temperatures. I wouldn't rely too much on what other peoples >systems report. > >The actual temperature of the CPU is going to depend on the speed and CPU core >architecture (and maybe the BIOS) vs the ambient temp/cooling. > >This is as opposed to the temperature reported. The accuracy is going vary >with method (chip) which means, which M/B. I somehow doubt the sensors are >individually calibrated against a lab standard. > >If you can find somone with the same CPU/Motherboard, those numbers would be >slightly more useful. > >As a counter example my 2100+/Gigabyte GA-VTXE+ (BIOS F6a) sits at 54C idle >and around 60C when busy. It's perfectly stable (on stable, not current). >[With fvcool idle temp = 30C] > >If I forget to clean the filters, the temperature will rise, and the system >becomes increasingly unstable. A few degrees increase is enough. > >My advice is to clean any filters, fans and heatsinks and check the fans spin >correctly. If the box runs cooler, note the temperature for future reference. > > > >>The current fans look like the Antec fans you can see in a Circuit City >>or Best Buy. You can mail order them but I think I would buy one sooner >>than that :). You have been having problems for quite a while now and >>that may be what is going on. >> >>Kent >> >> > > > Just another 'me too' on the lousy ^$#(# AMD supplied Athlon fans. Had a dual AMD 1800+ setup with OE/Retail AMD fans, system less than a year old, actually purchased from a company that went under, so the system sat idle for a good part of that year. Ran it for about a month, CPU fan failure, one _very_ cooked Athlon MP 1800+ CPU later...was cheaper to buy a pair of MP 2000+ off eBay than a new (or used) 1800+ CPU, but went ahead and spent the $ on ThermalTake Silent Boost fans- I don't overclock server systems, but they _are_ quiet by comparison, and are basically 80mm case fans with copper heat sink. Both (replacement) CPUs I think I paid $140 for, and ~$50 for the fans, so it's a fair amount of $ by comparison, but have used TT fans in the past and haven't had one die on me yet. Probably overkill, but lose a few CPUs (PIII CPUs seem to be able to survive a CPU fan failure, P4 and Xeons generally survive, but AMD chips will cook themselves in a heartbeat!) and it'll seem worth the few extra $$.. Scott