From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Sep 12 18:55:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F29E17A98 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 18:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gordon@tetlows.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28D6812BB for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 18:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gordon@tetlows.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C1AD4E17A96; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 18:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1370E17A95 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 18:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gordon@tetlows.org) Received: from mail-qk0-x22a.google.com (mail-qk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B903812BA for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 18:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gordon@tetlows.org) Received: by mail-qk0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id a128so27117425qkc.5 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 11:55:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tetlows.org; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=p8rtG0omOdZ/LxkgAxFh+Eb6YgD0IHRIUujLFMLiI+Y=; b=dVU9BxX7mtxsphhVGP98sKMebOGFF5ol7SMt5relvneUmAZd2KQS91nFfIsmhWeaSO JgY5DV+jYYuFhGilz405mKDV081biizU8TgO9fihoVASBTbMBpYhhU4Ye3mDRiKAzy5c Wblh1QJphsPWdChL+sPsNJc1qwll+iMiNKET0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=p8rtG0omOdZ/LxkgAxFh+Eb6YgD0IHRIUujLFMLiI+Y=; b=LfZ1fa91KfoIXwZYHKdPedQs1yQjYkpx5jj6V7bGg8ytjRFVgNLcMr8b6+PV6sGdlz N8Vy3TLcD6e2WZKFV31wqsTeL/R6YhFJZFeR5HII7+HZcLS9pOAvGmLK/GchROKEHuKm YOxr246mZP4Dal0BGJHJrzGFzbdw4HdK6FE3BeKHnH4zF1sxPuk5xPvxy5ONUGEMB6Y+ slDS7nM5lt+zfsbY+NnW7FhG4mKDHvJyK8Yq5L340HnWt7csI+ujRqG6SeT0TrxFNPbT TyaToEbyte5UYO182NlmRuBpW20Sh9JaTdZbdZ3r5Zhuur9bk0cXIiINgYZYdSCNRFwz YY4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUg6dFSV+1ZY31Ke2vn1KSAuRTnKMWuASnpjUdpAk8hnDc2cuMLj 1gFxx9D2Jd83YiBzD0dV0w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDHwCAu/Skx5arFml4CQhQE6GZ2t9dKeEiewgCmOEup8WxQluLvF9umZzasMVy5PlJeFUgVXA== X-Received: by 10.55.209.79 with SMTP id s76mr7350411qki.238.1505242534523; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 11:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com ([2607:fc50:0:7900:0:dead:beef:cafe]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h19sm8086183qke.29.2017.09.12.11.55.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Sep 2017 11:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 11:55:32 -0700 From: Gordon Tetlow To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of catman from base Message-ID: <20170912185532.GF99742@gmail.com> References: <20170912184200.GD99742@gmail.com> <77524.1505242222@critter.freebsd.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <77524.1505242222@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.3 (2017-05-23) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 18:55:36 -0000 On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 06:50:22PM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > -------- > In message <20170912184200.GD99742@gmail.com>, Gordon Tetlow writes: > > >With modern hardware, it doesn't seem to be necessary to have pre-formatted > >man pages as rendering them is short enough to not be noticeable. > > That was actually not why catman was brought into the world: ATT/USL > thought text-processing was The Goods so they unbundled it base SVR > and invented catman to make up for the missing nroff. Okay, that seems reasonable. I don't think it changes the desire to remove it (unless I'm missing something). Gordon