From nobody Sat Jan 13 11:49:29 2024 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TBxXF3nJSz57Q4Q for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 11:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbeich@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TBxXF3CzFz43SC; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 11:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbeich@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1705146573; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=X8ueLGj+DOQwogeEi0XcNGkThFBsDkOPf2VpZaYCWao=; b=BwGHpLWooOGf/W/pwOwXy2UZzC0xHP2yAKNp/2Jj0I9ul/8j/QhnR6qWZTB6pgUsP2x3DE 6O1VuJSwvbJLu9cdFi2Xw/Goxn+rgn/LSj2nFZa8CEjLkTS4FbeFCrFMP7CW3fXir+/lrp ijf/ebXd75hGEs+NJbWviuMpxMPG4NSnT0pCc6gdND3StrFLBdECfPAX7FQ6Jae6/qa/DP SOTT7zGgtex9SMUDqhiELVSqU9YVmIz6mkd+FmsKqoGWgarY3is0uf3jAa5L0EhH88l9Ng 82H7kVomqE/f6rKmE+R78OnGELfZ8xvvp5tHwNmJmYtT0MNAGwT4m2C+0lvy5A== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1705146573; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=X8ueLGj+DOQwogeEi0XcNGkThFBsDkOPf2VpZaYCWao=; b=iGsvBbNKIBl7TgbkCvdPjWv5a7wy0h++gsib6Vii0fMnPCXOcfZz48Lfl0SeQfZrQ1cDMt 5K+B48bKyP6Zznpzlamq2eysoAYwSkxOPsOKHjvlHP+DBjlzEiDeVFoouP9xQJA/jDUg5h hAH8c+tED8o59kaEN1fdtVlu/vFrhbTZROv1WK285IzpuOJuAEyHO4Af46d10wvwxUgODj m3foCkAdi9JDURXSaJN+Ey74NuUFclV3tQ+l8oiyLT9D2+QeQTD3FU72YEGlwPlvYoOFHp eJI0NVuTjuhfNaJJPy5EX67YdpuQiPJHHs8taDwA3qxsoqfu/FsiFsjZIiJ2og== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1705146573; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=fTge1Ez8hNa9ZasgQRbwbSe8DLwzpOj1XxkVLadaokG+Ku/LZ2sOgAbaOZY2YaqxDNd4hi LAqSgd6p5XoJStCvtOtkQhvHw2SmFdvZwuqk3JwzYSvltILCXI3f6LhKHdhxwXRKSW1Pvz nme1u+9/P/q2Y3U8Brca4SnQYS4sc6GDdL73xArGX8hjOm0TNxjbO2k+vacRlXHVlbLL+I 8PliMaroSsM8Dhv1yk3VawFAyzWznpMtGMxnb64Ea3kOm/D8BYqU4zou2mrETZtyjtF1fz yYA12CuyrL5jPnxeU0YS59+z+Ib2V9GUnyBtUUotFDbEAuIiUBncIOyN2wfKfQ== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1354) id 57B3B19C94; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 11:49:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Jan Beich To: Tomoaki AOKI Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Latest and quarterly best practices In-Reply-To: <20240113120511.642ad8901f3b1169a6a4173d@dec.sakura.ne.jp> (Tomoaki AOKI's message of "Sat, 13 Jan 2024 12:05:11 +0900") References: <84dca503-78ff-8fed-73d6-153f38478c71@quinteiro.org> <20240113120511.642ad8901f3b1169a6a4173d@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2024 12:49:29 +0100 Message-ID: List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Tomoaki AOKI writes: > On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 02:52:18 +0100 > Jan Beich wrote: > >> Jose Quinteiro writes: >> >> > Maybe there are some ports that should not exist in the quarterly >> > branch? Looks like some of these are under such heavy development that >> > they really don't have a stable version. >> >> Hyprland release cadence is similar to Chromium and Firefox. > > Not using/checking hyprland, but at least updates for Chromium and > Firefox almost always contain security fixes. So they should be MFH'ed > to quarterly ASAP, although it's quite often and heavily-loaded. > > Stricly speaking, quarterly should only get "security updates", but for > too large projects like Chromium and Firefox, backporting security > fixes only should not be realistic and whole bunch of updates are > introduced. This is just a my guess. MFH is ports/ equivalent of MFC in src/, so not limited[1] to security. src/ regularly MFC *new* features[2] because POLA and ABI primarily concerns with *existing* features - one can't break what previously didn't exist. src/ is also better at splitting changes into atomic bits, so individual commits are easy to assess the risk of and MFC. [1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/Ports/QuarterlyBranch#Aims https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-announce/2014-April/000079.html [2] Ignore OpenZFS imports, Clang upgrades, LinuxKPI rebases, driver updates, etc For example, FreeBSD 13.2 adds wg(4) and netlink(4) that weren't in 13.1.