From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 28 21:44:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3B5563; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:44:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@felyko.com) Received: from felyko.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f2f8:a528::3:1337:ca7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F138FC16; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:9:4d00:85:8077:b284:3e1f:accb] (unknown [IPv6:2601:9:4d00:85:8077:b284:3e1f:accb]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by felyko.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 246CB3982B; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:44:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=felyko.com; s=mail; t=1351460665; bh=GJdkILYyfgcInDHafPGo3/BffJ7bF+urtZO8PbX2k5Y=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=hYcuX7Qzt5KmDrQKWQ77FUJBP3tuSxsL+tVloHhr8c7RzuilTjyw4WuzA023u4FWz 2MwUJiTr1jJe0sIGFuEi0Tk7e7I3WTr4SsxVsK566p9R+usdIzN9egJHV6rhyztFMl 1pZEEcyZEVCv6gpC3zR2f8tgl0rL0TdhoGlitZ1k= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: svn commit: r242266 - head/sys/netinet From: Rui Paulo In-Reply-To: <508DA4B3.4080002@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:44:21 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8CE1596C-A1E2-49BA-985D-D4D6C891C544@felyko.com> References: <201210281947.q9SJlku2085767@svn.freebsd.org> <4532DEB1-4EFE-4E4B-BE1F-A99FFC58DBA3@felyko.com> <508DA4B3.4080002@freebsd.org> To: Andre Oppermann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:44:25 -0000 On 28 Oct 2012, at 14:33, Andre Oppermann wrote: > IW10 has been heavily discussed on IETF TCPM. A lot of research on > the impact has been done and the overall result has been a significant > improvement with very little downside. Linux has adopted it for quite > some time already as default setting. I have followed the discussions at tcpm, but I did not find any = conclusive evidence of the benefit of IW10. I'm sure it can help in = multiple situations but, as always, there are tradeoffs. Section 6 of = draft-ietf-tcpm-initcwnd never convinced me. > The bufferbloat issue is certainly real and should not be neglected. > However the solution to bufferbloat is not to send less packets into > the network. In fact that doesn't even make a difference simply = because > other packets with take their place. Right, my point is that sending more packets in an already congested = link will negatively affect the throughput / latency of the network. I'm = not saying that it won't help you download a YouTube video faster, but = the overall fairness of TCP will be reduced. > Buffer bloat can only be fixed > in the devices that actually do the buffering. A much discussed and > apparently good approach seems to be the Codel algorithm for active > buffer management. Are you working on CoDel? :-) Regards, -- Rui Paulo