Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2025 08:59:35 -0400 From: Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPv6 networking problems in 14.3 Message-ID: <092f8b7a-9b98-4e2a-b6c5-361b40549cce@denninger.net> In-Reply-To: <6e7a8fc6-12c8-4097-ad70-bcb1e4967ade@denninger.net> References: <4C00D174-21FE-47C4-A30A-A382138571A5@keehole.org> <A9EBD993-D77D-49F9-9FFB-0E42EA0BEE6E@keehole.org> <DC84D8EC-B084-4AF1-B3F4-413323DA613A@distal.com> <dfa7af0c-334f-4b36-86dc-b2d75d1477d3@denninger.net> <E06E4F40-0E2C-4C4E-9C27-3BCF086347FA@distal.com> <6fce77fb-9ba8-4c7b-bb9b-0e337d91f278@denninger.net> <1780EFAC-DA9C-4593-BE37-28E7FFCE4388@distal.com> <6e7a8fc6-12c8-4097-ad70-bcb1e4967ade@denninger.net>
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<p>Hmmmmm.... just came in via git pull:</p>
<p>commit ffd956a3918cd5e64c8850eb77247428a29f7221<br>
Author: Michael Tuexen <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"m=
ailto:tuexen@FreeBSD.org"><tuexen@FreeBSD.org></a><br>
Date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0Wed Sep 10 17:13:35 2025 +0200<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 dhclient: improve UDP checksum handling<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 When sending UDP packets:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * compute the checksum in the correct order. This onl=
y has an
impact<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if the length of the payload is odd.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * don't send packet with a checksum of zero, use 0xff=
ff
instead as<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 required.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 When receiving UDP packets:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * don't do any computations when the checksum is zero=
=2E<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * compute the checksum in the correct order. This onl=
y has an
impact<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if the length of the payload is odd.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * when computing the checksum, store the pseudo heade=
r
checksum<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * if the checksum is computed as zero, use 0xffff ins=
tead.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * also accept packets, when the checksum in the packe=
t is the
pseudo<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 header checksum.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <b>The last point fixes a problem when the DHCP clien=
t runs
in a VM,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the DHCP server runs on the host serving the VM <u>=
and the
network<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 interface supports transmit checksum offloading</=
u>. Since
dhclient<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 doesn't use UDP sockets but bpf devices to read the=
packets,
the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 checksum will be incorrect and only contain the che=
cksum of
the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 pseudo header.</b><br>
<br>
</p>
<p>This could potentially apply to other bpf-using things -- which
includes dhcpcd.=C2=A0 And you have tso/lro turned on.</p>
<p>It is a patch to dhclient, not dhcpcd but does the same issue
potentially apply?</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/2025 13:00, Karl Denninger
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"mid:6e7a8fc6-12c8-4097-ad70-bcb1e4967ade@denninger.net">
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/2025 12:38, Chris Ross wrote=
:<span
style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">
</span></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"mid:1780EFAC-DA9C-4593-BE37-28E7FFCE4388@distal.com">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"moz-quote-pre">On Sep 14, 2025, at 12:2=
9, Karl Denninger <a
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:karl@denninger.n=
et"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"><karl@denninger.net></a> wrote:
Rolling this around in my head some more..... what is the underlying inte=
rface?
I ask because I saw this happen with "re" driver interfaces (both IPv4 an=
d 6) where it would not get an ARP map and thus couldn't see anything at =
all on the outside - there were enough other screwball things going on wi=
th the "re" driver (timeouts and similar) that I tossed that and now run =
on ix and a couple of SFP+ transceivers which has been entirely-stable (a=
lthough igb also appears to work as I've gotten my hands on a box with a =
couple of those and tested that too.)
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"moz-quote-pre">In my case it=E2=80=99s an=
ix. Connected to a 1gbps switch interface, but an ix interface. And, t=
he same hardware that was doing this fine a few months ago.
vlan0: flags=3D1008843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,LOWER_UP=
> metric 0 mtu 1500
options=3D4600703<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,TSO4,TSO6,LRO,RXCSUM_IPV6,TXCS=
UM_IPV6,MEXTPG>
ether a4:53:0e:79:b9:82
inet A.B.C.D netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast A.B.C.255
inet6 fe80::6e8:e675:f359:3465%vlan0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
groups: vlan
vlan: 6 vlanproto: 802.1q vlanpcp: 0 parent interface: ix0
media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
status: active
nd6 options=3D1<PERFORMNUD>
ix0: flags=3D1008843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,LOWER_UP&g=
t; metric 0 mtu 1500
options=3D4e53fbb<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,JUMBO_MTU,VLA=
N_HWCSUM,TSO4,TSO6,LRO,WOL_UCAST,WOL_MCAST,WOL_MAGIC,VLAN_HWFILTER,VLAN_H=
WTSO,RXCSUM_IPV6,TXCSUM_IPV6,HWSTATS,MEXTPG>
ether a4:53:0e:79:b9:82
media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
status: active
nd6 options=3D29<PERFORMNUD,IFDISABLED,AUTO_LINKLOCAL>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<p>If you find anything a note back here would be greatly
excellent.=C2=A0 I do note that per the various notes from long a=
go I
have both tso and lro turned off (but I use ipfw, which is where
that apparently comes from) on the outside interface -- but I
doubt that is involved as I did try with it on and it didn't
change anything.</p>
<br>
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