From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 20:13:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2BA16A4DD for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC6243D45 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:13:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so738126wxd for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:13:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UC+WtMpV0SkiPfhYm2X7ql/pZ+QxezxiGeDgtahVws4fZ1vx3/B6jOAz5TNrOvxpkPvFwJstF+z7Afi5/vR0Km/vcrKEC+bwbXZrCn+8pKOvq/DEprJ2+ImDKRSAp0HKfSLLB+/P11O71UK3Zoo/okWF160HsMOWIO36EmZganM= Received: by 10.90.113.18 with SMTP id l18mr333867agc; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260608311311v224ee5baud24fcca650cdb892@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:11:31 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: "John Baldwin" In-Reply-To: <200608311538.46509.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <950621ad0608310654h78ae0023g346abd108815ae72@mail.gmail.com> <20060831183956.GA43568@elvis.mu.org> <8a0028260608311147n4cd9563hf816d2993edc2f17@mail.gmail.com> <200608311538.46509.jhb@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Paul Saab , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:13:08 -0000 On 31/08/06, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Thursday 31 August 2006 14:47, Jeff Rollin wrote: > > On 31/08/06, Paul Saab wrote: > > > > > > Jeff Rollin (jeff.rollin@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > If Yahoo (to pick the one big vendor I remember making a big thing > of > > > using > > > > a BSD) don't reincorporate their changes, perhaps that's because the > > > license > > > > allows them not to? > > > > > > If you think that Yahoo! has not given back to the FreeBSD project, > > > then you are sorely mistaken. Let me count the ways that Yahoo! > > > has given back. > > > > > > As I said, Yahoo are the one big company I remember being cited as using > a > > BSD. My point was not that "Yahoo does not give back to the FreeBSD > > project," but that the BSD licence *allows* them not to give back in a > way > > that the GPL does not allow (say) Google not to give back to the Linux > > project(s). > > That's not true. If Google makes an enhancement to Linux that they only > distribute internally, they are only required to make the source code > available internally. You only have to give your patches to the folks > you distribute the resulting binaries to. I'm perfectly well aware of that too. Thus, if you merely make appliances > that manage/produce content and sell the content but not the appliances, > you > can mix propietary code with the GPL to your heart's content. But really, > the economics of open source is actually more complicated than the GPL > folks > understand. I think the GPL folks understand the economics of open source a lot better than the anti-GPL folks give them credit for. Jeff.