From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 00:25:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C70A16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Stephen.Clark@seclark.us) Received: from smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout07-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 179FA43D68 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:25:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Stephen.Clark@seclark.us) Received: (qmail 28221 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 00:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (24.144.77.138) by smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.233) with ESMTP; 11 Sep 2006 00:25:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4504ACF5.6050303@seclark.us> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:25:25 -0400 From: Stephen Clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22smp i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010110 Netscape6/6.5 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Volker References: <20060910035614.282CD16A58D@hub.freebsd.org> <45049112.3@vwsoft.com> <20060910233325.GA3845@holestein.holy.cow> <4504A89A.5070400@vwsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <4504A89A.5070400@vwsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug-free software (Re: ARRRRGH! Guys, who's breaking -STABLE's GMIRROR code?!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen.Clark@seclark.us List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:25:30 -0000 Volker wrote: >On 2006-09-11 01:33, 'Anubhav A.' wrote: > > >>in message <45049112.3@vwsoft.com>, wrote Volker thusly... >> >> >>>we're talking about software. Have you ever seen a piece of software which has >>>been really bug-free? Not the hello-world, I'm talking >>> >>> >>Recently i read about which is more than "hello-world" ... >> >> They Write the Right Stuff >> http://www.fastcompany.com/online/06/writestuff.html >> >> >>... but you did ask. >> >> >> - Parv >> >> >> > >Interesting article but I really do not believe even the shuttle >software is 100% bug free. Just because there has been only one bug >found in the last version, does not mean it's really guaranteed to >be bug free. It's just: No one experienced one and no one discovered >one more. On the other side they do not implement much new features >every day and they do not have to care about hardware and market >changes every other day. > >I suspect a lot of trouble even for NASA's mission does come from >software bugs and who knows how many lifes can be accounted for >software bugs. Remembering the first launch of a Ariane-5 rocket? It >has been self destroyed because of nothing but a software bug. Or >what about the first NAVY combat ship w/ steering controlled by >Windows NT? Out of control by a blue screen... > >A developer can't always foresee the environment where his code will >later work in and that is even causing trouble. > >And again, errors and mistakes are human. And those who shout out >"why didn't you test enough" should ask themself, how much have THEY >contributed to the community? The hackers are contributing enough >(my view) and are really doing a good job. > >I do not care about HOW MANY bugs a beta quality piece of software >does contain but what IMHO matters is the timeframe to FIX them and >the FreeBSD project and other OS communities are good in that. > >Greetings, > >Volker >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Sorry to be dense but what does MFCing mean. I have googled for it but can find nothing that explains it. Thanks, Steve -- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin) "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." (Thomas Jefferson)