From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 21:22:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE2716A4CE for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E296843D31 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:22:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wegster@mindcore.net) Received: from mindcore.net (rdu162-234-100.nc.rr.com [24.162.234.100]) i1J5MnSm012799; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:22:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40344829.4000908@mindcore.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:22:49 -0500 From: Scott W User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031129 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kent Stewart References: <200402152046.55853.racerx@makeworld.com> <200402152104.57482.racerx@makeworld.com> <200402151916.13790.kstewart@owt.com> <200402181959.13869.ianjhart@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <200402181959.13869.ianjhart@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.2.1-RC1 and RC2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:22:53 -0000 ian j hart wrote: >On Monday 16 February 2004 3:16 am, Kent Stewart wrote: > > >>On Sunday 15 February 2004 07:04 pm, Chris wrote: >> >> >>>On Sunday 15 February 2004 09:00 pm, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Chris wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Is is me? Or has something changed in 5.2 that tends to make >>>>>systems freeze up during portupgrade? Mainly - KDE-3.2.0 >>>>> >>>>>That being said, I seem to be seeing this more often on other >>>>>upgrades. Strange thing is, I considered it to be my PC however, >>>>>I never seem to run into the total freeze when doing a >>>>>buildworld. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>No trouble here upgrading 5.2 to current on my desktop and no >>>>trouble upgrading my 5.2p1 to 5.2RC2 on my server. I suspect your >>>>problem is hardware or driver related. >>>> >>>>Tom Veldhouse >>>> >>>> >>>Tom, >>> >>> My upgrades (5.2.1 -> 5.2.1-RC1 -> 5.2.1-RC2) went flawless. The >>>issues I'm having is during portupgrade. >>> >>>Kent, >>> Interesting - I did as you advised. I am typically running between >>>113 and 125 degrees (F) My AMD did come with a fan. Perchance I ought >>>to look into alternative cooling? >>> >>> >>Mine ran like that for 53 weeks. The warranty was for 52. When it died, >>it litterally blew one of the voltage regulator ICs on the motherboard. >>All I saw was a flash of light at the same time as a loud bang and the >>top right corner of the IC disappeared. Out was towards me but I didn't >>feel it hit nor could I find it. >> >> > >Much as I love AMD, I would have to agree about the fans. I bought boxed CPUs >with fans as I expected that this would provide the right level of cooling >(and reliability). IIRC the warranty was 2 years. When the first one went >"wobbly" I replaced the lot. It's just not worth taking the chance. > >To the OP, re temperatures. I wouldn't rely too much on what other peoples >systems report. > >The actual temperature of the CPU is going to depend on the speed and CPU core >architecture (and maybe the BIOS) vs the ambient temp/cooling. > >This is as opposed to the temperature reported. The accuracy is going vary >with method (chip) which means, which M/B. I somehow doubt the sensors are >individually calibrated against a lab standard. > >If you can find somone with the same CPU/Motherboard, those numbers would be >slightly more useful. > >As a counter example my 2100+/Gigabyte GA-VTXE+ (BIOS F6a) sits at 54C idle >and around 60C when busy. It's perfectly stable (on stable, not current). >[With fvcool idle temp = 30C] > >If I forget to clean the filters, the temperature will rise, and the system >becomes increasingly unstable. A few degrees increase is enough. > >My advice is to clean any filters, fans and heatsinks and check the fans spin >correctly. If the box runs cooler, note the temperature for future reference. > > > >>The current fans look like the Antec fans you can see in a Circuit City >>or Best Buy. You can mail order them but I think I would buy one sooner >>than that :). You have been having problems for quite a while now and >>that may be what is going on. >> >>Kent >> >> > > > Oops, forgot to add on last post...in case anyone is looking for CPU temps..I've monitored a _lot_ of CPU temps on different systems, and the previous poster is right- different systems definitely run at different CPU temps, even with the same CPU and CPU fans, and I'd also question the CPU and MB temps themselves within ~5* as far as being 'accurate' against a standard....but FWIW, on a Tyan S2466-N MB, dual Althon MP 2000+ with the ThermalTake Silent Boost fans (PITA to get on this MB BTW ;-( ), claimed CPU Temps via BIOS after a week+ uptime and some large compiles putting load on the system, CPU Temp rarely goes above 55*C (reported), after compiling for several hours (KDE in this case). Scott