From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 25 22:28: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C102615203 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.198.105]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA24B9; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:27:53 +0200 Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@daemon [192.168.0.1]) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA64977; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:28:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990526133357.B20660@caamora.com.au> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:28:00 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: jonathan michaels Subject: Re: [Q] How stable is FreeBSD 3.X ? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Robert Withrow , Sergey , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 26-May-99 jonathan michaels wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 02:57:09PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> nothing else. Be nice with your questions / feedback and you'll get a > > be nice with your responces .. it cuts both ways, and always > read the context . not just with an eye spoiling for a fight, > as you have so abley demonstrated int eh past, as now. Bullshit... As long as I know Jordan know, that's roughly about 9-12 months, on the lists as well as IRC, I tend to know Jordan as someone who's willing to help/give advice in a nice way. But with every thing out there, plainless lack of knowledge by not reading docs such as the handbook/FAQ or other equivalent works (freebsdzine.org daemonnews.org freebsddiary.com) is a your own fault. People saw this thread only from a pure user/developer perspective. Now look at it from a workflow perspective. The mail from Sergey, plus other pr's I see in the gnats database clearly lack all components to make accurate suggestions on the next steps possible, and after more than 10000 pr's I can imagine people getting tired of dragging info out of people. It can be as simple as noting the error after certain actions took place. Or as elaborate as booting with -v, crashdumping the OS and gdb'ing it. And it's documented in the docs how to best report problems. And there, once again, we have the problem of not reading the docs... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist *BSD: Accept no limitations... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message