From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Jul 13 18:23:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3094610473C4 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35907273D for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:23:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7CDB010473C3; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D6E10473C1 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:23:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell1.rawbw.com (shell1.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CDF7273A; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:23:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from yv.noip.me (c-24-4-131-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.4.131.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id w6DIN4k5000388 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:23:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host c-24-4-131-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.4.131.132] claimed to be yv.noip.me Subject: Re: Is there an index of all central poudriere builds? To: Adam Weinberger Cc: ports@freebsd.org, kevans@freebsd.org, jbeich@freebsd.org References: <76ad5d43-9548-0b4f-2659-eb2dd811d712@rawbw.com> <96591eb8-e321-0286-4464-60ea1783b652@rawbw.com> <345e4af8-b334-0887-4f96-c7c085fd6316@rawbw.com> From: Yuri Message-ID: <18d49cbb-35b8-e689-6480-9412d3d9ef6f@rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:23:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:23:09 -0000 On 07/12/18 20:22, Adam Weinberger wrote: > Every 11.x gets the same packages. They're built on the lowest > supported version (11.1 here), but 11.2 and 11.1 pkg users get the > same packages. > > Quarterly is NOT outdated. It is specifically and intentionally not > latest-and-greatest. Whatever new pkg you're talking about, the whole > point is that it is tested for ~3 mo in head before it arrives in > quarterly. If you don't like it, you switch to head. That's what it's > there for. Looking from a perspective of a simple user who keeps with the latest release, 11.2 users now don't get recent package updates. The advice "just switch to CURRENT" doesn't work because you shouldn't advise users to switch to the unreleased, unstable version, and they shouldn't even be bothered with such things. The advise to change to 11.1 also doesn't work for users, because why did we release 11.2 then? It isn't obvious what to tell to a user in this case. Then it is also illogical that while 11.1 was the latest release, the packages were same as in ports, and once 11.2 became the latest release, packages became delayed. Why does this change with the release number? I think that the right solution is to use the same packages for 11.2 that are used for 11.1. Yuri