From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 20:15:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA53416A41F; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com [68.99.120.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE29343D46; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051016201510.GXFS2325.dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com@dns1>; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:15:10 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:10:12 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> In-Reply-To: <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510161310.18807.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:55:22 +0000 Cc: Wes Peters , wes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, tux@pinguru.net, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, Mark Linimon , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:08 -0000 On Sunday 16 October 2005 03:20, the author Panagiotis Astithas contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >Wes Peters wrote: >> On Oct 15, 2005, at 2:39 AM, Panagiotis Astithas wrote: >>> Mark Linimon wrote: >>>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:15:07PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >>>>> I don't mind moving the eclipse ports from java to devel, but all >>>>> the other eclipse ports are add-ins to eclipse and should probably >>>>> be classified along with eclipse. >>>> >>>> [adding freebsd-java to the Cc:] >>>> For some background, there's been on-and-off discussion on -java >>>> about how the java category was never really a good idea. None of >>>> the other languages have their own primary category. In particular >>>> we've completely failed to train our users to send 'java' PRs only >>>> for problems with the JVMs and 'ports' PRs for things in ports/java. >>>> >>>>> In particular, if eclipse is a 'devel' tool, I don't see how CDT >>>>> and phpeclipse are editors. GEF isn't a graphics library, it's a >>>>> graphical emulation framework for eclipse, which is (again) a >>>>> development tool. >>> >>> Although I agree with everything you say here, I can't see how this >>> is an argument against the fact that GEF and CDT most probably belong >>> to devel. Unless I'm mistaken and you were not making one? >> >> I was making an argument that regardless of where eclipse migrates too, >> all of it's little pieces should go right along with it, rather than >> getting spread all over the ports system. > >Since you snipped Mark's reply in your quote, let me clarify that my >comments above were directed to Mark and I agree with your point. >However I'm not sure whether there has to be a strict rule that every >eclipse-foo port should go in the same category. Perhaps the emacs >precedent should be followed. See below. > >Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:14:59 +0900 (JST) > > > > Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > >>Hi eclipse and eclipse related ports maintainers and users! > >> Some time ago, someone suggested that eclipse and eclipse > >> related ports should be located on proper categories. I > >> think so. So I suggest following repocopy list. Anyone, > >> do you have any idea? > > > > Oops, I missed. Eclipse is very similar to Emacs: > > 1. IDE > > Emacs is a one of IDE(or platform). And anyone doesn't > > think that it is ONLY a elisp interpreter. But it is > > a editor. So I think that it is no problem that Eclipse > > may be categolize to editors. > > > > 2. Extension-able > > Emacs has many extention modules like news reader, language > > support, games, ... > > > > 3. Mode > > Emacs has many mode for descriptions like C, Perl, Java, ... > > > > 4. others > > It must be that there are other similar feature:-). > > > > java/eclipse -> editors/eclipse > > java/eclipse-EPIC -> editors/eclipse-EPIC > > java/eclipse-cdt -> editors/eclipse-cdt > > java/eclipse-checkstyle -> devel/eclipse-checkstyle > > java/eclipse-clay-core -> databases/eclipse-clay-core > > java/eclipse-devel -> editors/eclipse-devel > > java/eclipse-emf -> editors/eclipse-emf > > java/eclipse-examples -> devel/eclipse-examples > > java/eclipse-gef -> editors/eclipse-gef > > java/eclipse-gef-examples -> editors/eclipse-gef-examples > > java/eclipse-langpack -> editors/eclipse-langpack > > java/eclipse-log4e -> editors/eclipse-log4e > > java/eclipse-lomboz -> devel/eclipse-lomboz > > java/eclipse-pmd -> devel/eclipse-pmd > > java/eclipse-quantum -> databases/eclipse-quantum > > java/eclipse-sqlexplorer -> databases/eclipse-sqlexplorer > > java/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat -> www/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat > > java/eclipse-uml -> editors/eclipse-uml > > java/eclipse-v4all -> editors/eclipse-v4all > > java/eclipse-vep -> editors/eclipse-vep > > java/eclipse-vep-examples -> editors/eclipse-vep-examples > > java/eclipse-viplugin -> editors/eclipse-viplugin > > java/eclipseme -> devel/eclipseme > > java/phpeclipse -> editors/phpeclipse > >This sounds fine, too. Sounds crazy to me... Scattering eclipse tools over the whole ports collections is, to my mind, a retrograde, rather than a positive step. There are another 290 pus eclipse tools to bring on board!! I would continue to advocate for a single collection david -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit.