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[50.188.36.30]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e6sm1439609ith.0.2016.08.22.12.23.45 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: linda@kateley.com Subject: Re: Recommended HBA for ZFS, contemporary References: <306ccab3-4c78-751a-2258-54701a64ab4b@internetx.com> <41DE4DAA-B5E1-4BB9-AF54-780236A901EF@gmail.com> <63B2949F-01C6-4465-A2D8-E4AA0FE0150C@bway.net> To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org From: Linda Kateley Organization: Kateley Company Message-ID: <3c17c513-2eb3-7acf-4885-b31594ea2ee8@kateley.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:23:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <63B2949F-01C6-4465-A2D8-E4AA0FE0150C@bway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:23:47 -0000 On 8/22/16 1:51 PM, Charles Sprickman via freebsd-fs wrote: >> On Aug 22, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Karl Denninger wrote: >> >> On 8/22/2016 13:38, Mike wrote: >>> On 8/22/2016 2:36 PM, Karl Denninger wrote: >>>> On 8/22/2016 13:34, Mike wrote: >>>>> On 8/22/2016 12:18 PM, Ben RUBSON wrote: >>>>>>> On 22 Aug 2016, at 18:14, InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LSI SAS 2008 Based HBA, there are dozens of OEM available for Budget Prices >>>>>> With the IT firmware. >>>>> What's the significance of "IT firmware"? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> It's (slightly) faster, provided you don't turn on any of the other >>>> stuff (which is always dumb with these adapters.) >>> Does it come with the HBA board(s), needs to be purchased or downloaded >>> separately? >> I've never gotten a card with it on it; I've always had to flash it. >> Flashing these cards is a bit of a highwire act and can brick them, but >> I've never had it happen myself. With that said my real reason to flash >> all of mine is to have all of them on the same firmware just so I can >> eliminate that as a possible contributor to problems if one starts >> acting up and the others are not. It's more of a "good practice" thing >> than a need IMHO; it's not a lot of fun to try to run down a problem >> only to find out after much hair has been pulled out of one's own head >> that the problem is bad firmware on a board! >>> Total noob here who wants to move my ZFS server disks off the >>> motherboard SATA ports. :) >>> > This is all a bit crazy. Is the LSI series of HBAs really the only choice > outside of onboard controllers? It seems like they are troublesome, support > is spotty, and this whole flashing process gives me nightmares. > > Also personally, with the few boards I’ve seen with built-in LSI adapters > have always been a little wonky compared to their non-LSI counterparts. > > Is this all just the end-result of LSI basically buying up everyone? I have the same question. LSI used to always be the go-to, but in recent years it seems to get more and more wonky.. there has to be a better way. > > Charles > >> -- >> Karl Denninger >> karl@denninger.net >> /The Market Ticker/ >> /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/