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Gollucci" Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 17:14:44 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Foundation CoC involvement To: deb@freebsdfoundation.org Cc: Josh Goldstein , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 17:14:57 -0000 Short? I will digest this. A well written response deb. Thank you. Yeah we didn=E2=80=99t really denote things under 1% much less 0.1%. I was looking for the financials link. My bad I couldn=E2=80=99t find that= . Personally I don=E2=80=99t have a problem with how fbsd or the foundation i= s spending money or not. I do find the community politics quite intriguing though..... On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM wrote: > Hello Philip and Josh, > > Sorry, for the delay in my response, and thank you for inquiring how we > are spending our money. I need to keep this reply short, as I=E2=80=99m o= n my way > to the airport to attend SCALE to promote FreeBSD and recruit more users > and contributors to the Project. I will write up a more formal statement > after I arrive in California. This week has been tough, with two major > conferences happening this week. > > To answer Julien=E2=80=99s original question, no, the Foundation did not = pay for > the CoC. However,, as we=E2=80=99ve been publicizing in our monthly newsl= etters in > 2016 and the FreeBSD quarterly status reports, we did support the new Cod= e > of Conduct efforts by paying for a few hours of time for an outside > consultant to provide guidance and advice to the CoC review committee ma= de > up of volunteers from within and outside the FreeBSD community. The fundi= ng > comes out of our general funds, like other support we provide to the > Project. The consultant did not write the CoC, only provided advice. > > > > To address Philip=E2=80=99s concern, we have always been public with our = spending. > Please check out our financial reports here: > > https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about/financials/ > > When you look at our P&L, you can see that we do not break out every > expense. For example, you won=E2=80=99t see how much we spent on individu= al events, > like the Bay Area Vendor Summit, or how much we paid to sponsor AsiaBSDCo= n > or BSDCon. Most of that is lumped into Project Spending expense accounts. > Paying for a consultant to provide guidance into making sure the FreeBSD > Project is inclusive, welcoming, and safe, is part of our charter of > supporting the FreeBSD Project and community. I=E2=80=99ll also include h= ere, that > it was important to have that expertise on putting together the reporting > process. I understand that there are people on this mailing list that are > concerned about how we are spending their donations, and I believe there = is > a misunderstanding of how much we actually spent on this. To be clear, it > was less than .1% of our budget. Over 60% off our budget goes directly to > software development, with most of the rest going to release engineering > and security team support, FreeBSD infrastructure, and FreeBSD advocacy a= nd > education. In fact, here is a list of the areas we supported in 2017, > copied from my December blog post: > > In 2017, your support helped us advance the Project through: > > - Increasing the software development projects we are managing and > funding, by internal and external software developers, including the > OpenZFS RAID-Z Expansion project, Broadcom Wi-Fi infrastructural > improvements (bhnd(4) driver), increasing Intel server support, and > extensive progress towards a fully copyfree toolchain. > - Growing the number of FreeBSD contributors and users from our global > FreeBSD outreach and advocacy efforts, including expanding into new re= gions > like China, India, Africa, and Singapore. > - Keeping FreeBSD secure and reliable by having staff members fill > leadership roles on the Security and Release Engineering teams. > - Starting up nascent internship/stipend programs by participating in > the University of Waterloo Co-op program, where we are hiring interns = for > four-month periods to work directly on FreeBSD, and the University > Politehnica Bucharest, where we are providing stipends to students doi= ng > research projects with FreeBSD. > - Providing face-to-face opportunities such as developer and vendor > summits and company visits to help facilitate collaboration between > commercial users and FreeBSD developers,as well as helping to get chan= ges > pushed into the FreeBSD source tree, and creating a bigger and healthi= er > ecosystem. > - Utilizing a full-time staff member to ensure stability, reliability > and high performance via ongoing maintenance and bug fixes. > > > > Most of you probably noticed that there is no mention of supporting the > FreeBSD CoC. That=E2=80=99s because this work was done in 2016. As I ment= ioned > earlier, the bulk of our funding goes directly to supporting the Project, > and that includes the salaries of our limited staff. We also spend fundin= g > on a Human Resources consultant periodicity, an accountant, an office, > computers, and other administrative areas that support our efforts. > > As someone who has traveled around the world, meeting FreeBSD contributor= s > who are new to the Project, and also many who have been with it for a lon= g > time, I=E2=80=99m always impressed with the passion and love for FreeBSD.= I=E2=80=99m here > to support our constituents, and listen to what you want us to support. W= e > are not a trade association like some of the other open source foundation= s > out there. Our sole purpose is to support the FreeBSD Project and > community. Though, we don=E2=80=99t have enough funding to do the work we= are > currently doing, we will step in the fill needs of the Project. > > Along with my staff, we are committed to supporting this Project. I stand > by the support we provided to the community to craft a better Project CoC= . > As most people know, I will respond over email. If you have specific > concerns about the CoC, I=E2=80=99m open to listening. But, please be spe= cific on > what concerns you. However, since I was not part of the CoC effort, it > would be best to send your concerns directly to the core team, who is > working on a process for committers to provide their feedback on the > current CoC. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Deb Goodkin > > Executive Director > > The FreeBSD Foundation > > > > > > *From:* Philip M. Gollucci > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 7, 2018 07:39 > *To:* Josh Goldstein > *Cc:* deb@freebsdfoundation.org; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > *Subject:* Re: FreeBSD Foundation CoC involvement > > > > I'm perplexed, speaking as a previous officer of the ASF - Nearly > everything we spent money on was public. I know the staff and infra > budgets are. I wrote them for two years. > > > > At the moment I have no opinion on if this was good or bad to spend on; > however as a 501c(3) vs 501c(6) you have limits on what can be asked for > untargeted donations. > > > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Josh Goldstein via freebsd-advocacy < > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> wrote: > > Deb, > > Several people have now asked and you have yet to respond, so I will > raise the question again in a new thread in case you're ignoring the > politics thread: > > Did The FreeBSD Foundation pay for works related to the Code of Conduct, > and if so how much did it pay, and to whom for what services? > > I don't think this is an unreasonable question; several of us have > donated money to the Foundation and would like to know how it is being > spent. Personally I assumed development but that appears to not be the > case and I need to reassess my commitment. > > Regards, > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g > " > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- > 4096R/D21D2752 > ECDF > B597 B54B 7F92 753E E0EA F699 A450 D21D 2752 > > Philip M. Gollucci (pgollucci@p6m7g8.com) c: 703.336.9354 > > Member, Apache Software Foundation > Committer, FreeBSD Foundation > Consultant, P6M7G8 Inc. > Director Cloud Technology, Capital One > > What doesn't kill us can only make us stronger; > > Except it almost kills you. > --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ 4096R/D21D2752 ECDF B= 597 B54B 7F92 753E E0EA F699 A450 D21D 2752 Philip M. Gollucci (pgollucci@p6m7g8.com) c: 703.336.9354 Member, Apache Software Foundation Committer, FreeBSD Foundation Consultant, P6M7G8 Inc. Director Cloud Technology, Capital One What doesn't kill us can only make us stronger; Except it almost kills you.