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Date:      Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:41:50 -0600
From:      Brad Davis <brd@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org>, Renato Botelho <garga.bsd@gmail.com>, Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>
Cc:        "src-committers" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, rgrimes@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc
Message-ID:  <1528285310.3551889.1398315032.22267C9D@webmail.messagingengine.com>
In-Reply-To: <f0fff0b8-11d2-796b-a290-f7492e699635@freebsd.org>
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On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 2:25 AM, Stefan Esser wrote:
> Am 05.06.18 um 22:43 schrieb Brad Davis:
> >=20
> > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Renato Botelho wrote:
> >> On 05/06/18 15:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 12:13:05PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> >> >>> I find it often very useful to do
> >> >>> (cd src/etc/rc.d && make install)
> >> >>> Same for defaults and several other directories which in fact cont=
ains
> >> >>> non-editable content.=C2=A0 Is this planned to keep working ?
> >> >>
> >> >> The short answer is, no.=C2=A0 All rc.d scripts get moved to the sr=
c of the
> > program they start.
> >> >>
> >> >> That said, if there is a big need for this, we can see about option=
s to
> > keep them working.
> >> >>
> >> >> What are you trying to accomplish when you do this?=C2=A0 Just veri=
fy the rc.d
> > scripts match your src tree?
> >> >
> >> > I avoid mergemaster/etcupdate and whatever else. rc.d and /etc/rc,
> >> > /etc/rc.subr /etc/rc.network are not suitable to etc, they are binar=
ies
> >> > provided by the project not for the user editing.
> >> >
> >> > When upgrading the host, esp. on HEAD, i usually refresh scripts by =
this
> >> > procedure and avoid any editing and implied conflict resolution for =
real
> >> > configs.
> >> >
> >> > Not being able to easily install clean copies of these scripts would
> >> > be very inconvenient and time consuming.
> >>
> >> If I understood what Brad is saying, each rc.d script will be installed
> >> by the application it belongs to. So when it's installing SSH it will
> >> also install /etc/rc.d/sshd and you will not need to deal with rc.d
> >> files on mergemaster anymore.
> >>
> >> Is it correct, Brad?
> >=20
> > Correct.
> I have for a long time (decades?) applied local changes to files in src/e=
tc
> which (very seldom) may need a conflict resolution, and which make sure t=
hat
> /etc is populated with files that match my needs.
>=20
> It is easy to change a file in /etc until it works as desired and then co=
py
> it to src/etc, where it is subject to updating via SVN, but still reflects
> my preferences.
>=20
> With the move to source directories it will be necessary to modify rc fil=
es
> and other configuration file defaults (e.g. ttys) in a number of places.
>=20
> E.g., mergemaster will try to remove the shells installed from ports from
> /etc/shells on each run and quite a number of other files will either nev=
er
> be automatically updated (by excluding them from mergemaster runs) or on
> every invocation of mergemaster, unless patched in their respective source
> directories spread over the whole source tree.
>=20
> This is a BIG step backwards from my PoV, since src/etc currently is the
> equivalent of FreeBSD's concept of using /etc/rc.conf for configuration of
> all applicable system settings. Having sources of all files that are going
> to be installed in /etc (when a new system is setup or by mergemaster) is
> equivalent in the sense that the location where changes have to be applied
> is confined to just one directory, src/etc (and a few architecture depend=
ent
> sub-directories).

You should really consider moving to etcupdate, as it uses 3-way merge and =
make this much easier.


Regards,
Brad Davis



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