From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Apr 22 22:00:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5723E621054 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2021 22:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-f54.google.com (mail-ot1-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FRBF33X43z4qws for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2021 22:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-f54.google.com with SMTP id e89-20020a9d01e20000b0290294134181aeso17815142ote.5 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:00:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aiN/ZeKlc/XkfdYz0GhYccz/wMdcRV9ZFZYfJwfe2vc=; b=FGFTvSBlzWJVdsGwdWyoxqciTyBeCa774wAMDdxiDrPpHMo5EY07s5VpapcKF6k4t/ Y+kf8Rrb6JVK+Wyctzck4i4AzflruIem5NrDKznTcsdmgcWcz9nkSmEsp8k56V813h81 TBlokvurLxcADl1n/A7J26XjBpZ08TtS06NVHM0O81FwQPJy6582KmW3RxOapp2BtsOX cUj+xxfqWa3Vt+gnze3qxYMyqdfvM1UL2D8h6LCSpqYvbUvbWdjA54ls2z6FfC+wv4f1 6YcF8aB/HXEeFXHKghnCjyM0ftYqtpg0ND4JUjzgncqV1Ce1Iyl9UGOlRq5Ht9TIf9Vp GeQA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5306W7YH6qtUkDdClicfGJduwNPC3J2OmRFP1Ju3/0PxnmNeU2Fi 6UBm4rAJYGNA/Stuo9hCrd3LdwUhJoSJvHg49wZXwDBF X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJynOAV49xTCcb66MgI2ooyODuvyayt/3XwU/q8hiCvmS3LDmLPQ4EKmRN/E6h9PXqwQJtjbC02mqPhxCcRmTeE= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6846:: with SMTP id c6mr566655oto.251.1619128838017; Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:00:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0101bee2-ae7e-5ea5-b7be-4f35c3467d9e@klop.ws> In-Reply-To: <0101bee2-ae7e-5ea5-b7be-4f35c3467d9e@klop.ws> From: Alan Somers Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 16:00:26 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 13.1 from main? To: Ronald Klop Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FRBF33X43z4qws X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of asomers@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=asomers@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[209.85.210.54:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17:c]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[asomers@freebsd.org,asomers@gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[209.85.210.54:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[asomers@freebsd.org,asomers@gmail.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[asomers]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[209.85.210.54:from:127.0.2.255]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.210.54:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 22:00:40 -0000 Because we have a policy of never releasing anything even a little bit backwards-incompatible in a minor release. imp, for example, has been removing obsolete drivers in main. We can remove old drives in a major release, but not in a minor one. That's why we can't release 13.1 from the main branch. -Alan On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:37 PM Ronald Klop wrote: > Hi, > > Just wondering a bit. Why wouldn't the FreeBSD project release 13.1 from > the main branch in about six months or some other time period? While making > some monthly errata releases in the meantime. > - This saves a lot of back porting of commits. > - It prevents branches with old code like the current 11-branch with an > old openssl version. Release early. > - Saves some people time in maintaining the branches. > - Saves time in coordinating the releases. Release often. > - Reduces the number of needed RC's. Because the main branch doesn't > divert a lot of what people are running in production. > - Most people start testing/production use after the release. So this > should be used as input for the main branch to improve the next release. > Currently the feedback of 13.0 is put in 14.0 which is 2 years in the > future. > > Just some thoughts. Which I really like. :-) > > Regards, > Ronald. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >