From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 09:30:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAD2106567C for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from dhcp-172-28-77-38.eur.corp.google.com (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DB78FC0A; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:30:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <497C312E.6050802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:30:22 +0000 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dieter References: <200901241706.RAA07150@sopwith.solgatos.com> In-Reply-To: <200901241706.RAA07150@sopwith.solgatos.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: swap_pager complaints but not using swap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:30:24 -0000 Dieter wrote: >>> AMD64 FreeBSD 7.0 2 GiB main memory >>> >>> My console says: >>> >>> login: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 22, size: 4096 >>> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 22, size: 4096 >>> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 22, size: 4096 >>> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 22, size: 4096 >>> >>> pstat -sk >>> Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity >>> /dev/ad6s10 4590208 96 4590112 0% >>> >>> Wow, using a whole 96K of swap. I don't see any disk related >>> complaints in dmesg. >>> >>> Is this something to worry about? >> Yes, the system was *trying* to do swap I/O and timing out while doing so. >> >> Kris > > Whoops, I forgot to change the subject line after adding the k option > to pstat. Without the k it said 0 used. And this morning it occurs to > me that even if swap used was zero, it could have been trying to *start* > using swap. > > Anyway... given this timeout explaination, I'm guessing that page/swap > has to compete with user processes for disk i/o, and thus probably > suffers from the same lack of fair i/o scheduling that user processes > suffer from. E.g. one process doing disk i/o can lock out another > process for at least several minutes, probably indefinitely. :-( There is a timeout of (from memory) 60 seconds. I've not seen this timeout exceeded on properly functioning disk hardware (even heavily loaded), only on broken hardware/controllers, or on I/O devices that are intrinsically slow for some reason (USB stick, or swapping to a file). Unless you're doing something truly unspeakable to that disk's load, I'd look at the hardware. Kris