From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 1 3:10:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from atkielski.com (atkielski.com [161.58.232.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7BC37B419 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 03:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by atkielski.com (8.11.6) id fA1B9mR66460; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:09:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <007001c162c5$c4792e80$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "FreeBSD Questions" References: <00c801c162c0$727e3080$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Tiny starter configuration for FreeBSD Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:10:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ted writes: > There IS NO UNIX UI!!! UI = user interface. All operating systems have a UI. In the case of UNIX, the default UI is the system console, a simple alphanumeric display with keyboard entry of command lines. > Your talking about the UNIX UI as though it's something > defined and generally accepted. It is. See above. > There is absolutely no standard as how your UNIX desktop > can look, you can make it look like anything you want. UNIX doesn't have a desktop, although you can install a desktop-like UI, if you want one. > BOTH Windows and UNIX are much more than just a UI. As are all operating systems. > Windows is an operating system that has ONE available UI. Actually, it has at least two: the GUI and the command-line interface, the former being the default (and thus the native) interface. > UNIX is an operating system that has a UI that's > totally defined by the user. The default UI is a simple command-line interface. This is typical of most multiuser timesharing systems. > Your confusing the UI with the operating system. No, I know exactly what I'm talking about. > This is understandable because Microsoft didn't design > Windows so that the UI is a separate piece, instead > it's integrated into the OS. In Windows NT, the GUI is a separate piece, not a part of the kernel, although integration was increased in later versions in order to mimic single-user Windows versions and improve performance. Still, NT potentially allows other UIs to be installed--I don't know of any, however. > UNIX is designed so that any UI you run on it, > whether a shell or a graphical one that looks like Windows, > or a graphical one that looks like KDE, is basically > what you would term an "application" in Windows-world. See above. Most operating systems do this to some extent. > Since UNIX has no "defined" UI, it's impossible for > Windows to have a superior UI ... When I installed UNIX, it came up with a command-line interface. Looks pretty defined to me. It still does that every time it boots. > They get attached for the same reason, because they > spend a lot of time in them and people tend to get > emotionally attached to inanimate things that they > spend a lot of time with. Some do. I don't. And it's difficult to discuss things like operating systems objectively and usefully if emotions intervene. > Would you now say in your enlightened state that your > parents gave you a "necessary evil" stuffed bear > when you were 6 months old? I never had a stuffed bear. I had half a Slinky once, but I straightened it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message