Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:59:49 +1000 From: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> To: "David Johnson" <djohnson@acuson.com>, "Kris Kennaway" <kris@obsecurity.org> Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>, <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: I'm leaving Message-ID: <020b01c0dcda$581e35d0$0300a8c0@oracle> References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010513033434.A54250@xor.obsecurity.org> <3B001679.3172B050@acuson.com>
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From my extremely limited (and somewhat unsatisfactory) experience in attempting to coerce X into a functional state, I see the problem as more of a hardware rather than a software issue. Whilst there isn't any question that making things more straightforward software wise is a_very_good_thing, there does appear to be something lacking in the videocard detection routing. Its been suggested by some that this is is more of an XFree rather than a FreeBSD issue, and although I can see the logic in this argument I'm certain that many raw newbies would fail to understand the distinction. I'm flat out like the proverbial lizard drinking for the next week or so, but I'll have a poke around the XFree & linux docs sometime and hopefully come up with something I can kick into shape for a submission to docs > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > Jordan and others have tried many times to get people to submit good, > > newbie-friendly "default GUI environments", with close to zero > > community response. Yes, it would be a good idea, SOMEONE PLEASE DO > > THE WORK! :-) > > Getting a "default" desktop added to sysinstall would be rather like > pulling teeth. After all, it already has an item to choose a default > desktop. And if you do a standard install (which I haven't done in a > while, so it may have changed), that question is posed to the installee. > Thus, that side of the suggestion is already handled. > > The other side of it was to "tweak" the desktops for FreeBSD > specificity. That can easily be done without changing existing packages. > Just create new metapackages. As an example: kde-newbie. This would > install the basic kde metapackage, and then proceed to add icons for > FreeBSD documentation (and replace the silly Tux icons while it's at > it). > > No need to twist anyone's arms. Just go create a package and submit it. > The package won't be installed by default, but it will be available in > the appropriate spots, like the kde meta-category. > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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