From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 20 02:50:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B2F16A41A for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dd@emeraldcityeg.com) Received: from mail.justlinuxhosting.com (mail.justlinuxhosting.com [198.107.153.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD8113C458 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dd@emeraldcityeg.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.justlinuxhosting.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9CE143257; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:50:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at justlinuxhosting.com Received: from mail.justlinuxhosting.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (curtain.justlinuxhosting.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id emDFXULCqyxj; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.178] (204.11.227.123.static.etheric.net [204.11.227.123]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dd@emeraldcityeg.com) by mail.justlinuxhosting.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF768143011; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:50:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <47192969.20809@samsco.org> References: <85AFE2F9-33F6-40E8-B760-990970B7A791@emeraldcityeg.com> <4718EC36.7090401@delphij.net> <4E478C75-35D0-47EA-A4A3-05D06A167A51@emeraldcityeg.com> <47192969.20809@samsco.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0910B534-FAAC-42C2-9EB4-A77B6CA3B90D@emeraldcityeg.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: ECEG / Daniel Duerr Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:50:14 -0700 To: FreeBSD Current X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:02:09 +0000 Cc: d@delphij.net Subject: Re: twa driver needs updating X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:50:17 -0000 Hi Scott, Great perspective here, thanks for taking the time to respond. I agree with you and believe that some attention should be put on the hardware vendor driver side of things. It was *such* a pain to get to the point where I could even install Freebsd on these machines. And 3Ware RAID controllers are pretty standard IMHO. I've upgraded to RELENG_6 from RELENG_6_2 but I'm not at the data center and I cannot chance a reboot with the twa driver not working for me and the machine not coming back up. Cheers, Daniel On Oct 19, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Scott Long wrote: > ECEG / Daniel Duerr wrote: >> Thank you for redirecting my message. I've been keeping these >> machines updated on RELENG_6_2 because I have a couple pre- >> compiled hardware drivers I must use which I do not have kernel >> source for. I just did a csup/buildkernel last week on the latest >> p8 source tree and tested the included twa driver and it was not >> up to date. Would it be possible to get the twa driver pushed >> back into RELENG_6_2? > > There are plans to get the new device support pushed back to > RELENG_6 in > time for the 6.3 release. I know that's not the best answer for > you at > this moment. What is really, truly needed here is a "driver update > disk" setup for the installer that allows you to load vendor-supplied > drivers at install time and have those drivers integrated into the > installed system. Sysinstall has a clunky feature that kinda sorta > satisfies the first requirement, but completely falls down on the > second > requirement, making it completely useless. If anyone is serious about > sitting down and making such a feature happen, let me know. It > would be > an incredibly positive step towards better vendor support. I'd > like to > be involved because I've been in the vendor role in the past with > supporting linux, and I'd like to make sure that the linux mistakes > aren't repeated. > > Scott