From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 6 13:25:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A0716A4CE for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from anon.securenym.net (anon.securenym.net [209.113.101.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE6643F85 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:25:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dincht@securenym.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by anon.securenym.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hA6LJR213080 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.filtered; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:19:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200311062119.hA6LJR213080@anon.securenym.net> X-Securenym: dincht From: "C. Ulrich" To: nw1 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <002c01c3a27d$f17193b0$0300a8c0@install> References: <000901c3a25b$454e7840$0300a8c0@install> <200311040212.hA42CDx07838@anon.securenym.net> <002c01c3a27d$f17193b0$0300a8c0@install> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: The Peter Jennings Fan Club Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:17:03 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Overheating attributed to Freebsd --sysctl variables notavailable-- X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:25:12 -0000 On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 21:47, nw1 wrote: > Mr. Ulrich, I understand your position, however, do you understand mine? :-) (Apologies that this reply is a few days late.) Yes, I understand your position. But I still think you're going at this from the wrong angle. Hardware should never overheat unless it is defective or improperly cooled. Period. Software (even the operating system) simply doesn't enter into the equation. True, software can manipulate the hardware in certain ways to make it run cooler or conserve energy during certain periods, but you simply can't hold the software responsible for actual, physical hardware failure. I still say that the best solution is to figure out how to better cool your system. Buy a bigger heatsink, add more fans to the case, cut holes in the case to improve airflow, whatever. You could even buy different hardware with the rationale that the stuff you have is defective by design because it overheats under normal use and I wouldn't complain. You can, of course, lobby the kernel maintainers to put those sysctl variables back into FreeBSD, but chances are they took them out for a good reason. I'm not trying to mindlessly defend FreeBSD, either. Even if you were running Windows 3.1 on the machines, I would still stand by my position. Good luck. Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net