From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 7 19:43:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4050D10656B1 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC16E8FC17 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n57JhYdR000402; Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:43:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n57JhWJH000399; Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:43:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:43:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Manolis Kiagias In-Reply-To: <4A2C0EB2.4080001@otenet.gr> Message-ID: References: <4A2A1A30.30000@otenet.gr> <4A2BEA9F.2040009@otenet.gr> <4A2C0EB2.4080001@otenet.gr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Luke Dean Subject: Re: Shutting down X with control+alt+backspace X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:43:43 -0000 > Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> can older Xorg server be used with just updated drivers? >> drivers are separate modules. >> > > Never tried, but the way Xorg is going this looks kind of frightening ;) that's why i'm asking. To do it that way in port system, because Xorg started to follow "linux way" and "kde/gnome way" i.e. - adding hald as a "requirement" by default - disabling CTRL-ALT-backspace by default - of course user should not leave X session, it's forbidden ;) it's not funny, because while i don't use all these KDE/gnome things, i do need X. Actually X11 isn't quite unix philosophy, it should be graphics support in console driver, but it's not possible to do it now with so many gfx cards. I wonder how long it will take that we will have to build our own computer to be able to run unix normally. Maybe someone will do, using off the shelf CPUs, and quite simple gfx controller. Actually not many unix users do need all these 3D functions. most just need framebuffer with 2D acceleration.