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TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[uoguelph.ca:s=selector1]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[rmacklem]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:111:f400::/48]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[uoguelph.ca]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[uoguelph.ca:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[uoguelph.ca:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.12)[-1.115]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:2a01:111:f000::/36, country:US]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arch] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 04:26:43 -0000 Greg Lehey wrote:=0A= >On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 at 1:20:56 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:=0A= >> As discussed in the past, it's time to remove PC Card support. Not CardB= us=0A= >> support, but PC Card support. this is the16-bit PCMCIA stuff from long a= go.=0A= >> It relied on many 16-bit drivers that have since been removed from the= =0A= >> tree. What remains is a shadow of its former self. There used to be two= =0A= >> dozen or so drivers. This has dwindled down to 9, none of which are=0A= >> especially relevant (and all of which have replacement hardware availabl= e).=0A= >=0A= >I still have an old machine with PCMCIA hardware.=0A= >=0A= >> The drivers to be removed: an, cmx, wi, ng_bt3c=0A= >=0A= >Notably wi.=0A= >=0A= >> an and wi are old 802.11b drivers that are no longer relevant.=0A= >=0A= >A lot depends on the hardware, of course. It's certainly relevant to=0A= >my old Dell machine.=0A= >=0A= >> There's no systems that FreeBSD supports that are 16-bit only PC=0A= >> Card systems.=0A= >=0A= >I suppose that depends on what you mean by "supports".=0A= >=0A= >However: these old machines all have (by modern standards) tiny=0A= >memory. My Dell machine has 256 MB RAM, so modern versions of FreeBSD=0A= >just won't run on it.=0A= FreeBSD-current works fine on my 256Mbyte i386. Building a kernel does=0A= require patience and I'm not foolish enough to try a "make universe" on it.= =0A= =0A= Having said that, I have no problem with PCMCIA going away.=0A= =0A= rick=0A= =0A= > More to the point, the wi driver has been=0A= >broken for years, so clearly nobody cares about it. I'm in agreement=0A= >with removing the support. If anybody (including myself) really wants=0A= >to run this old stuff, they can use an earlier release of FreeBSD.=0A= >=0A= >Greg=0A= --=0A= Sent from my desktop computer.=0A= See complete headers for address and phone numbers.=0A= This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program=0A= reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA=0A=