From owner-freebsd-security Wed Mar 5 11:48:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B12737B405; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CF543FCB; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:48:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04925; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:46:51 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030305124322.02c8f100@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:46:47 -0700 To: Kris Kennaway From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Does the patching procedure work? Cc: "Jacques A. Vidrine" , David Schultz , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20030305194030.GA11776@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030305122841.02c8b7b0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305121248.02c5e720@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305100150.048518c0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305052142.03f04200@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305050739.03f078f0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305052142.03f04200@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305100150.048518c0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305121248.02c5e720@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305122841.02c8b7b0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:40 PM 3/5/2003, Kris Kennaway wrote: >How about you give it a rest now, Brett. You've been loudly demanding >what several people have repeatedly explained to you is already the >case, I'll drop the thread, but you're missing the point. The problem is that maintaining production FreeBSD systems is still far too time-consuming and awkward. It's a security issue AND a usability issue. The project as a whole really needs to get a handle on this issue. That's all I'll say for now; feel free to flame me if you'd like. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message