From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jul 10 14:47:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00619 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00610 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05154; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970710174542.00b08500@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:45:47 -0400 To: Jacob Suter , Ulf Zimmermann From: dennis Subject: Re: T1 upgrade options? Cc: Stephen Roome , shovey@buffnet.net, danf@JadeTech.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:00 PM 7/10/97 -0500, Jacob Suter wrote: >ISP Price for a Livingston OR-HS (T1/E1 capable office router, unlimited >IP's, doesn't do BGP4 but everything else including OSPF) for $649 ISP >price... Nice box based on the 386SX/25 running standard Livingston >ComOS A real screamer! ("capable" is the key word here). You could plop a $795. card into your freebsd box and get expandability and a lot more horsepower. Even our $530. card will blow away a Livingston. Dennis > >JS > > >Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > >> > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Steve Hovey wrote: >> > >> > > On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Daniel C. Fifield wrote: >> > > > I run an ISP in Wisconsin and we are planning an upgrade from a >> 56KB line >> > > > to a T1 line. My ISP recommends using a CISCO router. I am >> looking for >> > > > alternatives and experience using the CICSO router. >> > > >> > > I love my ciscos - its all I will use! Not too long ago, we had a >> cracker >> > > attack an older cisco, rendering it useless. Their tech support >> stayed on >> > > the phone and got me upgraded to a new operating system and >> crackerproofed >> > > in a very short time! >> > >> > CISCO's customer support might be great when one of their pieces of >> > equipment begins to show it's age/vulnerability, I'm not sure >> however that >> > it's the best advertising or reason to buy a Cisco. >> > >> > I still really don't understand why folks with only a T1 line insist >> on >> > buying a separate router, we have E1 here and have a dual port >> serial card >> > and a mux. It costs the same to add onto a pc as a Cisco, you still >> get >> > tech support and the PC that runs it doesn't do anything else or >> fall over >> > ever. >> >> Why ? Because what ever system you run your T1 off, PC or SGI or >> whatever, >> if it is not a dedicated router, people tend to run other services off >> it. >> If you run other services off it, you tend to modify it (for example >> reboot). That brings down your whole T1 line. I thought long about it, >> >> as I started with just a Fractional T1 Frame Relay line for myself and >> >> decided at that point to go with a Cisco PC card. It is a complete >> router, >> it just takes power from the PC and a com port emulation for the >> console >> port. Even with this solution I power cycled the box it was in too >> often. >> >> If customer ask me today about a standalone router or a PC card, I >> often >> tell them to get a router like the Engage routers. a T1 with CSU >> version >> cost $995 for ISPs. It has no large option in routing protocols, but >> as an endpoint, they don't need much. The reason I tell them this, it >> is >> a standalone box. A black box in the corner. No one is going to touch >> it. >> >> > >> > Besides, why learn how to use a Cisco router, when you can have a >> *BSD box >> > do it for you for the same price/cheaper, but with a lot less hassle >> if it >> > goes wrong. >> > >> > Check out www.etinc.com and www.sdlcomm.com to name two. >> > >> > Anyway, >> > >> > Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. >> > Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 >> > WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ >> > >> > >> >> Ulf. >> >> ---- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 >> Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 > > > > > Emerging Technologies, Inc. Quad, Dual and Single Port ISA and PCI Router cards for BSD/OS, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OPenBSD and Linux Standalone Routers Bandwidth Allocation/Limiter Manager http://www.etinc.com sales@etinc.com (516) 271-4525