From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 6 22:48: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B256337B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184C743E7B for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021007054805.WDSS6431.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@localhost.localdomain>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 05:48:05 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g975onoS066795; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:50:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g975ohMU066792; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Congrats to Brett Glass for new BSD history article References: From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 06 Oct 2002 22:50:43 -0700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) writes: > > Though the B.S.D. long contained (some) "free" Berkely code, I don't > > think it's fair to try to get people to consider the B.S.D. as having > > initially been free, even if it was licensed to some schools for no cost. > > BSD was always free. It started out as a distribution of free > software (not a complete OS) which IIRC included a Pascal compiler, vi > and curses, all written at UCB and 100% free. It didn't become an OS > until a few years later. Quotes snipped out of context a couple of weeks later can be embarassing. I'm suprised that I said "initially" instead of "always", as I distinctly remember acknowledging the possibility that B.S.D. was, for a short time, not a complete OS (eg, just patches, etc.) and asking if anyone knew. Anyway, "a few years" is consistent with this item from http://comp-hist.sourceforge.net/comp-hist-0.9.2.html#1bsd 1BSD Type : OS Date : 1978 Mar 9 Reference : Quarter Century of UNIX by Peter Salus, pg 142 Code taken from : Unix Time-Sharing System,\n 6th Edition since http://www.bell-labs.com/history/unix/sharing.html says Dennis Ritchie was at Berkely 1976-7. It also quotes him as saying (time period not mentioned, but easily guessed): "The contractors got the UNIX licenses from Bell Labs, but they got the BSD software from Berkeley." Sounds like B.S.D. was always free, except after about Mar'78. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message