From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 29 07:22:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5D816A4CE for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:22:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web41002.mail.yahoo.com (web41002.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B847643D39 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:22:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from asdzxc111@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040729072222.11986.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.76.1.121] by web41002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:22:22 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: DK To: Nico Meijer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4107F756.10203@zonnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Going OT: Re: BigApache for Windows - Why doesn't BSD have aninstaller package like this ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:22:25 -0000 --- Nico Meijer wrote: > Complaining one or two lines from a tutorial don't work (ie. "groupadd > mysql") without reading: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/users-modifying.html thnx, I will read that & see if it helps me solve my groupadd problem, > If you haven't yet grasped the 'feel' for FreeBSD, why are you trying to > drive a Ferrari with it, when you can't even manage a tricycle with it yet? Is trying to install an app a Ferrari.. gee you guys really don't understand how dumb point & click it is to install stuff on MS I cannot remember reading a manual for ever doing stuff in MS. Its just so logical & straight forward... that you can install & configure 99% of apps without having to ever read mans/docs/guides > > .. I know its hard for people to swallow, but MS Windows IS easier to use > than BSD/Linux/OSX ... > > The only part that is hard to swallow is you putting *BSD, Linux and OS > X on one big pile as if they're basically the same thing (to a user, > they're not; to a sysadmin, they're not; they're all only "Unix-like"). The point I was making was at one point or another, they all came from the same BSD tree... > > whats the damn command startxfce4 ??? this doesn't work!)... > > It worked for me. Damn Ferrari's! > Especially as a server: I use CLI only. A GUI just gets in my way. I am curious, how does a gui get in your way ?? > > Gnome starts faster than Windows ?? Start time is not important > > To me, it is. My FreeBSD 4.10 booting into xdm, me typing in my username > and password and logging in to IceWM *and start working* takes almost > half the time it takes my coworkers' Windows 2000 Professional 'puters > to boot up at all in a workable state. I reboot my Windows box once every 3-4 days.. so boot time is irrelevant to me... > > - I am talking about reaction time of the GUI > > Yes, it seems that Windows is snappier. Thank GOD someone actually can see this :-O > The X Window System, however, > doesn't get in my way when I do other important stuff (backups, network > stressing, whatever). Plus, I get to log in from *anywhere* (even a thin > client) ans get *my* desktop on *my* pc. Windows 2000 doesn't get in my way, never crashes... don't know what network stressing your talking about though... ...I too can log in using VNC & see my desktop :) > > Whats the purpose of having to manually set the system to automount ?? as > opposed to having it as > > a system install default ?? if there is an advantage, I am sure its for the > 0.01% of the user base > > How can security be just for 0.01%? Have you ever thought of it this > way: "I want my computer to do something when *I* say it to!". Automount is insecure... not for a home workstation.... thats just exaggerating > >>>I can tell you that 95% of people who use computers want "EASE of USE" > > I am afraid you are right there. That is why the world of computing is > in such a shitty state and we get a new worm or virus every 15 minutes. Ease of use is not why the world of computing is a shitty place... its the 'genuine' lack of alternatives... BSD too me could be something very great... I am sure thats what Jobs see's as well > > - installable YES, configurable ... you've got to be shitting me :o > > Well... I think I just took a cr*p on your front lawn, dude. ;-) > (that really is a pathetic attempt at a joke; I'm just kidding) Sickem Rex! > > Apple OSX understands this(nice GUI over BSD base - shame about the stupid > high prices & dumb one > > button mouse)... > > Why? The one button mouse adds even more ease of use, no? No! - why, do you have only ONE finger ?? My MS mouse with 4 Buttons & a scroll wheel allows my one hand to access 6 different functions - the wheel also acts as a 5th button :) > Don't you get it? You are *free* to choose whatever system you want. If > you choose any of the BSD's (for that matter), you are *free* to choose > a GUI or the CLI. Also, should you opt for the GUI, you are *free* to > choose which one. Also, you are *free* to choose whatever software you > additionally would like to run. An editor? You are *free* to choose > which one, be it CLI or GUI. A web server? Again, freedom. Choose > Apache, choose thttpd, do so *freely*. Freedom is nice... how about throwing me a line & create a default install so I don't need to waste so much time configuring & messing around ?? > Wow, you hate FreeBSD, Java *and* Linux! ;-) No, only Java, Linux & Apple & all versions of Windows except 2000 - I actually like BSD... or at least I am trying too.... its just that the 'skanky hoe' is a bit ugly & is in need of a makerover! Kind Regards, DK _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com