From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 14:32:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25F91065676 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764B38FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.3/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id mBDEW2wp052969 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:32:02 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 164 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1378A264 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:32:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id E1B1B3D; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:32:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:32:00 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.164]); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:32:02 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8751/Sat Dec 13 04:47:53 2008 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at jchkmail2.jussieu.fr with ID 4943AB66.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4943AB66.003/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 4943AB66.003 on jchkmail2.jussieu.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.036 -> S=0.036 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:32:04 -0000 Glyn Millington wrote: > > But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach > > newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just > > repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL > > or whatever. > > Or even "why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to be back in the > day?" As you suggest, first, discussions about the direction FreeBSD should go are eminently FreeBSD related, and second, i think the passeists in the community, broadly speaking the sysadmins, not the programmers, are the worst enemies of FreeBSD progress. A number of obvious errors have crept in the thread, for example that Linux is crap - it has never been as good, and now outperforms FreeBSD in nearly everything - or that Gnome and Kde have nothing to do with FreeBSD, when there are dedicated FreeBSD teams working precisely on that. The idea that an OS has to be a server OS (translate, friendly to sysadmins) rather than a desktop OS leads directly to irrelevance (example Solaris), while the crappiest of the crappiest desktop OS succeeds in getting a foothold in server space, simply because people are used to it, and don't want to complicate their life. In general an OS gets hardware support proportional to the number of its users, so it is criminal to advocate concentrating on a niche use. Specifically for the question of nVidia 64 bits support, the nVidia engineers have clearly stated their intention of developing the driver as soon as appropriate kernel support is present, so as to be able to dothe same thing they are doing under Linux - a very understandable requirement. It happens that, for several years, no one has been able or willing to provide this kernel support. This is harming FreeBSD in an obvious way, but personally i could not care less, i use Intel video card. -- Michel TALON