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Communications Messaging System) with HTTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:25:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20080303172557.2x5adk1vwg4k8c0c@webmail.1command.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:25:57 -0800 From: "Chris H." To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <1204151575.84335.3.camel@neo.cse.buffalo.edu> <1204310983.47c853c70577d@imp.free.fr> <47C89B18.8010803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <1BBD0D48B63AE41DF673F6C4@[10.110.3.211]> <1204381259.93575.15.camel@neo.cse.buffalo.edu> <20080302010048.5n293u9tic8cwww8@webmail.1command.com> <1204527716.47cba264d0240@imp.free.fr> <20080303022049.4f7srhzt7o88g4cc@webmail.1command.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: H.R. Communications Internet Messaging System (HCIMS) 4.1 Professional (not for redistribution) / FreeBSD-5.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:26:05 -0000 Quoting Paul Schmehl : > --On Monday, March 03, 2008 02:20:49 -0800 "Chris H." > wrote: >> >> I would assert that FreeBSD is first and foremost a Server OS. >> The fact that it can also provide a full blown desktop, is so much >> the better. >> In this context, I believe that it makes more sense to place the >> server related install on the first disc. This makes it possible >> to install a server with the least amount of effort. It /also/ >> makes it quite possible for a would-be desktop user to likely >> only need to exchange discs /one/ time. As the most frequently >> used desktop items will fit onto their own disc (one disc). >> > > While I would agree with you in principle, I doubt seriously you > could be a "server" OS on one disk. What server are we talking > about? Web? Email? Webmail? Database? FTP? File server? Home > directory server? DNS server? Collaboration server? Combination of > the above? > > The possibilities are endless, and I doubt they all fit on one iso. > >> Bottom line: this arrangement should ultimately make everyones >> life easier, and maybe even happier. :) >> > > Feh. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that there *is* no *right* > way to do this, because it depends entirely upon what the purpose of > the box is and what the preferences of the installer are. Perhaps a > DVD iso is the best that can be done. > > Personally I don't install packages from the iso. Nor do I, except to the extent of "jumpstarting" a src && ports download, followed by c(v)sup and (re)build of anything desired. As to being able to put a server on 1 CD; given your chosen scenario, it is quite possible to provide src && ports in source form on 1 CD. So nothing prevents a "server" install from scratch. On the other hand; providing a "server" install out of /packages/ requires a bit more discretion - exactly /which/ packages should be chosen to be the "defacto" "server". That should be accomplished in the same fashion that they have (already?) decided - those /most/ chosen by users based on some form of statistical data. The sources for stats are many, and I'm sure it's not /too/ difficult to determine the best one(s) to choose from. But of course; You can please some of the people, some of the time. But you can't please /all/ of the people, /all/ of the time. However, in /this/ scenario, I'm pretty sure you can please /most/ of the people /most/ of the time. :) --Chris H > I update ports to current and compile from source. So I don't really > care what's on the isos, but, as the OP pointed out, not everyone has > the luxury of an internet connection when they're doing an install, > so effort in this area is probably warranted. I just don't think > that *any* solution will satisfy everyone (short of a DVD, which > *may* be able to hold everything. > > -- > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) > Senior Information Security Analyst > The University of Texas at Dallas > http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- panic: kernel trap (ignored)