From nobody Tue Mar 10 22:52:39 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4fVq0L1q7fz6VBxv for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2026 22:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R12" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4fVq0K3xYvz3h9d for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2026 22:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 62AMqdKd058446; Tue, 10 Mar 2026 15:52:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=bsdforge.com; s=bsdforge; t=1773183168; x=1773183768; r=y; bh=g5XfrJfZ4rnycSkATmFEaZ58jrT+m+GvegLeVtOXCFw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=cxxb14AXajcMvY4PlbIKTzxV8AucgdVtTjMRuwjoJnLyenhZLEMXfmXmiwk1sM1jV MYJAa1QkrFbcBCn+j4FjLXK5oBm3Jd1oLJIn01GCFKQjfwYlgBjU73WJA9ShzfL9wC Zh8fXA7wGNjk64RHM9ICe6F4oCgPojJfGKOn0t7W66IZk2p1K3MYTDKXL6UCKYEDuC 9Rm8X6yQ3eJl5GsWEPzb4QPBU7oHqFEKeqiEtzQM0zgNoP2OTnvo/jnJUhk9Y2vzHX grQMoPMsHhmK4e/2KmpcFiylkUNKC0vwmvGFKdQ7PNgXz4Iq9BtQRjh5B4nQkbLHda 77uLAVZmGgWQA== List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 15:52:39 -0700 From: Chris To: Jamie Landeg-Jones Cc: michaelsprivate@gmail.com, vince@vincentbentley.co.uk, vermaden@interia.pl, imp@bsdimp.com, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Practical suggestions for resolving the Age Verification problem In-Reply-To: <202603101228.62ACSKxx074330@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> References: <08dc619e-955a-438d-86ba-751b1fa63bce@vincentbentley.co.uk> <17977bb140d10505168a9af142dc09c8@bsdforge.com> <202603101228.62ACSKxx074330@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_d0f200a27b52bcba02a1738d258cc43b" X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4fVq0K3xYvz3h9d X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --=_d0f200a27b52bcba02a1738d258cc43b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2026-03-10 05:28, Jamie Landeg-Jones wrote: > Chris wrote: > >> way their regulated already. Adding another category and applying >> appropriate >> perms to match. It basically changes nothing in the way a system regulates >> user categories now. I was simply suggesting adding another (age based) >> category. >> Perms can be set accordingly. > > If you're going down that sort of route, why not just add a bunch of new > groups to /etc/group: > > not_verified_13:*:newuser1,newuser2 > not_verified_18:*:newuser3,newuser4 > not_verified_21:*:newuser5,newuser6 > > Of course, that would need to be manually altered when someone reaches an > age milestone, > but that would be the same with an extra field. > > Still (and this isn't directed at you), I think the whole thing is stupid > and doomed > to failure. That has been my stand from the beginning. It's untenable. Impossible to enforce. It's a broad net. In hopes of (eventually) landing "something". This will cost anyone that attempts to "[lay ball" untold amounts of legal fees. California id doomed to loose their argument against the defendant. But the cost of arguing your case as a defendant is still there. My position is to get all the players to ignore them (California) or simply state that we are no longer interested in doing business w/Californians. (very) simply put; They want to control the internet. Previous government attempts have failed. This will be no exception. > > Besides, this would be moot for someone running a FreeBSD desktop, or other > system > they control, and for things like web-based services that use a FreeBSD > backend, they'll > already have higher level authorisation controls baked into the system. > > So, it probably would only work for the small percentage of pre university > aged > children who access remote unix systems to play nethack in the terminal! :-) > > --Chris --=_d0f200a27b52bcba02a1738d258cc43b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name=0xE512722F.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0xE512722F.asc; size=3074 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQENBGf/G0IBCADARuJc6IcwOe3jv7dQsP1X/EIHvCFExPbTmlMNFMXbMMccQUnV o8ayEn+wmTvPhw7uL3PDk7DQs16W1sN2b8UMFc804cVWNGtoG3rA+Np+TFEYlXJx eh5Q42VHptkuwzHKl+q2utkpRlS7uHyfjsInQAoHxLyi/wrsaZTHHhDbLLhJ5Ez0 arohQ2Q1w0M5e9rW8Fy5rpC7RpC6uO1SZMxcbdqURI/BBqxbiD1iW62cDWFkfFX+ dtaEXghFV7BIBMDSrgIunGoEfdMZgXys7O6bPWn8z0cuOZIPj4HrjoCYARyQ+sdc rjz/k06SLM/UvEZDorJhT4DbYrwMNvaPWJiPABEBAAG0HkNocmlzIDxic2QtbGlz dHNAYnNkZm9yZ2UuY29tPokBNQQQAQgAHwUCZ/8bQgYLCQcIAwIEFQgKAgMWAgEC GQECGwMCHgEACgkQVKBqaOUSci8bSwf/fK3QcTYXRMrv82HIp4SiGCSD7/bRmyWr ipv2vzknGFHxPBN4AEWIqF/U4j5oDXaodyU6xsy59Z47/lgbyzyZiVR6nmJVgZVf el/EgwnLt7ZuYGLLEhIN2pd9itJkB8PMPZrUHMWgIw8BxX5YFYGuyiNe9pGn0Coj 98t/v3fouhqksH+BpB4TBHJBBDSxSiMm66VTJX4Xcnpf0ZnQVP4GBuoyodnFBfdI wqftPLESsCC08lUhD2j7v2NRWwMi/q3ed8D6VCKPImBByYnBZL5gu56K5bwqaQfN itu06APuIYnG71qxgn1EPO63lovWP5NZGgOKvzs3K+JfPF79BiOUFbQjQ2hyaXMg PG1haWxvcEBocmNvbW11bmljYXRpb25zLm5ldD6JATEEEAEIABwFAmf/G0IGCwkH CAMCBBUICgIDFgIBAhsDAh4BAAoJEFSgamjlEnIvBH8H9RGwzZuU6+zvH1WjQa97 yWpEt9rC+BIBJThev2Cpls2LqBqIeIQVZPnyLAZWgFaiezL6+xbvcNt6OnfidIYa x8iRwCMC6/Bs8H2Wef9qfGxXi+jHPLYQk3juiZVmBhIK6FJZkzaW4wSiawofwzbp zqNxO8dZ0j4foaJZrNi8iqsvKjiiHoSFaJtumIThAeydI18CNLeFaS53sk5nad6I wCYeFKmJ/22dMP7DOFEgyG1iNYgY+AGREMkEsBiLpqYjJ5asK+1UdUy/TRly1hOt HHxCiX0Fh9ZYM2vLIj7sq4LKaMPGeYC3qTqBYugVeyz7LkiI2ft/BKveA5JxuYKk ZrQiQ2hyaXMgPG5hbm9nQGhyY29tbXVuaWNhdGlvbnMubmV0PokBMgQQAQgAHAUC Z/8bQgYLCQcIAwIEFQgKAgMWAgECGwMCHgEACgkQVKBqaOUSci+4Bwf8D0Ogk2/X ud/CsAgHozwzKPqfesL5SRWM14hLnU9/EHoplnZgNexbVY1wXIi2FYPo5cve9QxW Nmt3S3UTF9j2fGqv0wmeHv3EqogFUHnftLyWpbeTPOFDMIQp/BOD6ygfeXxXWxRT L6zvUkSrDtHvkQHPWGRxwP+ihWjpw9AQR/R4/qAuTAZZM0O7UnJEo4mWXatl+utF wegG2giwFTTxfF+1rMpFtUDjYCpRQ6ZmE+gC1mHUMoH7GJMQv12DbqwKrxtwGfd0 AJNO3ZDnxl24BmIfl1YqQGZQ5iIH7At4YItESbU45hoNNsG9oDrsil78EUCAtXHd UPScj+eXaeAkgrQfQ2hyaXMgPHBvcnRtYXN0ZXJAYnNkZm9yZ2UuY29tPokBMgQQ AQgAHAUCZ/8bQgYLCQcIAwIEFQgKAgMWAgECGwMCHgEACgkQVKBqaOUSci9o7Af+ Lwu5hJlI5HZNGwAll7QTIFZVW+y4OEg+amhxTDGbAAqlnSIkHC1KgkmIOOrThme3 kTFCqfIIsuP73yKxHq6kRG0zH5/7asAPNAUOfzD7B2o/gMyuTRKyG5r9f3UmACr4 6qvtFhIwROXr6+NNT2IKg3l0/8F58A0N/TR8D2PTHeo4x6jYcZQDCrCy7BAdk3cu V16k4z/1UzRa07b5McezbWL20cIaZ+dqNcCjKZpzPlTyTCGgrNNtaDpNVhoWUKMB YNcKql+tfC1IpX8l+IU6OBKcDKMkQojvO1QrZqY8MDJGo8jq/CtotQ8+IpAai3Bx dQEsxrxlcKTR4rUqvd8VGbkBDQRn/xtCAQgAv5Nv/aQN72xsLik+K73PJwpUmyhu vnI6stM6dSecylXVHjZ7C4n/m0eQEeQCl+9lByHR9N8H+WS3DtAd4pmciiIxRQLA JZiuaLYcy9ziy1h7130VoR7hhJHzo9FIhWkTGlCDX3egUZrYhMiwFUO8lNltLB8o TBvIrMSsnUzawtQjq/otv0Jf+oBPbG+gIYnAm7w6r86n/l+eVxf5eEoS7wV0DJfp b2jE5zWErWk8I/tq4e8T+1VQeVQR6wz+NrUCSxkPkpNAm19AFUHOk//yvMGWVlDW F6gr3ErN2a0w/kZ0lz3Msxsb87QT+MnJf/T3cuEqdTIoSk74BfNEAdMohQARAQAB iQEfBBgBCAAJBQJn/xtCAhsMAAoJEFSgamjlEnIvyvIH/26zytSVNDaxtprg7XtX LerIWf9RyVx8omCw/lXKRCcgkfwD7QR+nSZ0thWOGMpcnivjuReeVRkz/webUF47 BXJ/Tge07nrxdtyTIHBbp35fPIriaKaII6YWc2Ufdxwv+cD8PADS6gQWAlgrWLmn VmYtyHs4kwtiPZyUyuBdWnZal2GyYY0WVwYjvbk95eInwOaIdoTjesJ7ZhUFu155 r4hh9GlvM0uv8WJ5Mw9wvHa5fIM205I5g0IWC7yvTwwwKHlV4JQQOqMwfv569OEl 1GKqA12nSVziB1+UV+I0NqOABWi/MOi+IySPzYP+XgdPfRNx4vmoHYZwWOQ3t4Jd TEM= =oj6y -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --=_d0f200a27b52bcba02a1738d258cc43b--